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Post by dsjr on May 9, 2016 17:26:38 GMT
Ive just made a set up,4 runs per speaker,first impressions are its very good. Better than the LS5 then? |
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Post by jayman67 on May 9, 2016 18:01:17 GMT
in terms of outlay, yes much better.  |
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Post by Greg on May 9, 2016 18:46:55 GMT
As for constuction, each cable should have 4 strands two + and two -, then twist them together in a star quad arrangement with 2 1/2 twists per metre. Is that construction to be used as a basic cable run or is it for use as a bi-wired cable? |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 18:57:40 GMT
Thats how Chris had it for single wire and I like it best that way myself. I tried halving the quantities but its bassier and more dynamic when doubled up IMO
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Post by jayman67 on May 9, 2016 19:24:27 GMT
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Post by ChrisB on May 9, 2016 20:09:53 GMT
Braiding it will change its characteristics.
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Post by Greg on May 9, 2016 21:55:07 GMT
Yep, it will increase capacitance. Not good with Naim, NVA and certain other kit. Could cause these and some other amplifiers to fail/break. Not a problem with valve amps and probably the majority out there, but check it to be safe.
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Post by jayman67 on May 10, 2016 3:23:57 GMT
whoops! id better get un braidng then quick! cheers for the heads up |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 7:51:52 GMT
You can still lightly twist each pair together long as you keep the + and - apart. It's twisting the two pairs together that increases capacitance. The further apart they are, the better in that respect.
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Post by jayman67 on May 10, 2016 15:38:11 GMT
ta,
may i ask the purpose of putting a gentle twist in the 2? could you not just heat shrink together every 200 mm and then sheath?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 16:14:18 GMT
I just did it to keep them together. The cable sits very neatly. I will upload a pic:  |
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Post by jayman67 on May 10, 2016 17:07:56 GMT
nice one,thanks!
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Post by alaska on May 11, 2016 9:54:24 GMT
Sorry MartinT! It is kind of tied in though as the stuff I've mentioned has been compared favourably to NVA 6 (I think) and is also a silver content cable and is massively cheaper. I'm sure your ones nice as well - and so it should be at that price. Hopefully this thread(whilst hijacked a wee bit) will lead to forum members getting an NVA comparable cable at a fraction of the cost. Again - apologies and that's it now. Chris The splitting/editing of this thread has got confusing. Have you or anyone else done a direct comparison with any NVA cables ? If so, which thread has the results ? Thanks. |
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Post by ChrisB on May 11, 2016 13:21:09 GMT
I don't think Chris has compared them, which is why he suggested that Martin might like to try them because he has used NVA cables.
The cable has been mentioned quite a lot on TAS since Chris first joined here, so it may be buried quite a way back in the old threads. However, as it's been discussed on other fora a fair bit in the past it could be anywhere!
I should say here and now that I don't think Chris has any sort of anti NVA (or anyone else) agenda, if that is where your question is leading. He just likes a bargain and he feels he has found one that he would like to share.
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Post by dsjr on May 11, 2016 14:20:52 GMT
I don't think Chris has an anti NVA agenda either, but this wire should be compared to the Chord Co stuff really. I've used Chord Odyssey Install cable as this stuff is made up (two lightly twisted cables per conductor) and found it wanting in a bright and over-shiny 'chrome plated' sense. The better the stereo, the worse and more 'hifi' it sounds. I gave my Odyssey stuff to a friend using Spendor S8's bi-wired with MF amps and he loves it.
I believe RD is happy to supply free of charge equivalent lengths of current spec LS2 to keep or return to anyone using Chris's recommended cable and who is willing to do a fair comparison. Don't ask me further about this, as I don't know otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 15:43:30 GMT
As I've said numerous times and is also contained back in this thread, the cable is apparently a doubled up version of Epic Twin. It's also reportedly the same base cable as used by Silversounds.
The refence to NVA cable goes back ages and I made it. I prefer this cable to LS6, which I liked but found a bit fatiguing on longer listening. I also prefer it to the older LS2 by a big margin although I thought that was a bargain too. My experiences with NVA cables haven't been typical, as I cannot tolerate LS1, LS3 or LS5, having tried them several times over a number of years, homes and systems. I would gladly try any NVA or other cable but as my experiences aren't typical I don't think it would add much value to the debate.
All this fuss from NVA that someone else dared make a comparison with any of their cables is a real over-reaction. I don't like the insults thrown at Chris either. This isn't even a commercial hifi product. It's being sold by an electrical cable supplier for low money. Nobody liking it is benefitting, sometimes if you find something you think is exceptional value, you want to share that. It's nothing to do with damaging NVA or anyone else. I have rated and recommended many NVA products, just because I prefer this cable to any of theirs I have tried shouldn't make any odds.
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Post by Chris on May 11, 2016 16:07:12 GMT
Nope no NVA prejudice here!
The long and short of it is simple : this is an exceptional cable at a bargain price that works very well for speaker cable. I'm just trying to help out forum members with a bargain.
I've compared this to StudioSpares own cable,Supra 4mm,6mm no name stuff and some Cambridge Audio biwireable stuff - they are all more expensive and this stuff wipes the floor with the lot. I'm asking for other opinions as I just want to know if others like it as much as I do.
As for comparisons with Chord co - then I disagree there : compare it to anything you like at £2pmetre. Bet you it's better.
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Post by MartinT on May 11, 2016 17:24:17 GMT
I don't have the NVA TSCS any longer so would be unable to make any comparisons now. I don't mean to cast any aspersions, but I've tried similar silver plated cable before and its not in the class of the NVA or Coherent 6D products that are ultra-transparent.
I've already said I'd be happy to try some and would report honestly on its sound, but I have used quite a few very serious speaker cables over the years and I don't expect to be surprised.
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Post by Chris on May 11, 2016 18:56:10 GMT
Must get some to you.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 22:42:06 GMT
As I've said numerous times and is also contained back in this thread, the cable is apparently a doubled up version of Epic Twin. It's also reportedly the same base cable as used by Silversounds. The refence to NVA cable goes back ages and I made it. I prefer this cable to LS6, which I liked but found a bit fatiguing on longer listening. I also prefer it to the older LS2 by a big margin although I thought that was a bargain too. My experiences with NVA cables haven't been typical, as I cannot tolerate LS1, LS3 or LS5, having tried them several times over a number of years, homes and systems. I would gladly try any NVA or other cable but as my experiences aren't typical I don't think it would add much value to the debate. All this fuss from NVA that someone else dared make a comparison with any of their cables is a real over-reaction. I don't like the insults thrown at Chris either. This isn't even a commercial hifi product. It's being sold by an electrical cable supplier for low money. Nobody liking it is benefitting, sometimes if you find something you think is exceptional value, you want to share that. It's nothing to do with damaging NVA or anyone else. I have rated and recommended many NVA products, just because I prefer this cable to any of theirs I have tried shouldn't make any odds. Just don't use it with NVA amps because if they go wrong you may have difficulty getting them repaired. NVA speaker cables have no sound to speak of so you are likely hearing how your speakers or music sources are warts and all. |
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