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Post by Stratmangler on Apr 21, 2016 14:24:46 GMT
DSJR
Did you see my comment about reaping what you sow?
The loan scheme on HFS is not reaching as wide an audience as would be liked for that specific reason.
The reason why traders don't bother so much with posting here is because there are no trade accounts, and they have to be careful that they do not appear to be drumming up business.
They don't have an official place to post from, so they don't bother posting. It's that simple.
With respect to loaning things out, buy it online, and if you're not delighted with your purchase return it in the same condition you received it in for a full refund.
It's guaranteed to stop tyre kickers and time wasters.
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Post by Stratmangler on Apr 21, 2016 14:51:38 GMT
The majority of this post sounds like sour grapes and that you have an issue NVA and RD. As far as I am aware the loan scheme was open to anyone, it was just that NVA was the only company willing to partake which is a shame because I agree with Dave that had others signed up their would almost certainly have benefited financially and it would have offered the forum members more options and opportunities. Yes it became NVA only but that wasn't from the want of trying to get others on board! No sour grapes, no issue with NVA, and no issue with RD, other than his inability to behave in a civil manner on internet forums. My comments are observational, with a bit of homespun truth thrown in. Bugger me, at one point it looked as though MartinT was doing all the legwork for NVA because of the reliability of whoever it was that made the initial approaches about the NVA loan scheme. That no other traders chose to have a loan scheme here is neither here nor there, nor is it surprising. If you want traders to get involved then you need to give them the ability to operate as traders - they have to be able to announce new product. And that is something that they're not permitted to do, so why would they get involved at any other level. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 15:02:12 GMT
That no other traders chose to have a loan scheme here is neither here nor there, nor is it surprising. If you want traders to get involved then you need to give them the ability to operate as traders - they have to be able to announce new product. And that is something that they're not permitted to do, so why would they get involved at any other level. Yeah agree with you on this one. |
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Post by chukka on Apr 21, 2016 15:57:45 GMT
Haahhha
why all this theorising ?
You just have to read what is going on on HFS to understand why this daft "NVA loan scheme" has collapsed and why no other trader or designer or anyone in his right mind would want to participate in any scheme or promotion that NVA is involved in.
Now, it will be very interesting to observe how some of the characters (caricatures) on hfs react to the perceived attack on them and their sacred Guru. One could write a thesis on their predictive behaviour.
And DSJR in all this ? I dont know, he must have a masochistic inclination to bear all the BS from his boss.
I for one have been promoted "Chukka Fukka" by little Jammy Boy. And I'm sure the Lawyer will chime in soon with some in comprehensive BS. And then, as per usual, the Grand Guru Himself will have something (obnoxious and personal) to say.
MOD: tit for tat, but it must stop now. No more cross-forum personal attacks please
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 16:07:48 GMT
Why do you waste your time reading the content of that forum?
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Post by ChrisB on Apr 21, 2016 16:12:05 GMT
More to the point, why do you waste your time repeating it here?
If you have an argument with someone on another forum, please conduct the argument there.
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Post by chukka on Apr 21, 2016 16:22:21 GMT
So its OK to talk endlessly about a failed scheme but it is not OK to point out the source of the problem ? Come on ! Look at all the threads involving anything NVA. A large proportion of it is just idle debate unrelated to HIFI, NVA equipment or anything interesting or useful. A part of TaS is being abused as a mouthpiece for NVA hypocrisy and politics, at the same time amusing a couple of members over there and reducing the credibility of this forum. I don't like the attitude NVA has towards my hobby and I don't think they should have an outlet for their hostility towards anything different to their beliefs.
Over and out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 16:32:26 GMT
Chukka you're welcome to join HFS. Then you can explain your hatred for NVA and determination to undermine the company. I'm sure Jammy and DQ will appreciate direct engagement. Just remember no ad hominem  . |
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Post by chukka on Apr 21, 2016 16:36:19 GMT
classicrock, so predictable that you should jump in right now.. forget it, I would never join a forum like HFS. And BTW I have no hatred against NVA as such. I hate hypocrisy and individuals who think they have the absolute opinion on any given subject. And you are playing a little game right now defending the "company" as the members cited are all banned from this forum for foul behaviour. That is always the "fall back" argument raised in such situations. You should know.
And funny you should mention the "ad hominem" rule. It is broken systematically by the owner and his two buffoons. So please, don't put on your moralising "no ad hominem rule" hat. That just sounds so f*cking hypocritical coming from you.
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Post by MartinT on Apr 21, 2016 17:01:15 GMT
Setting the record straight (because I'm rather tired of being told some alternative-world truths):
- The loan scheme was our (TAS's) scheme, devised to allow members to borrow and discuss product otherwise unavailable to them
- No vendor was involved in our planning discussions
- NVA were specifically invited because all the other forums had shut down discussion of the brand's products
- Other vendors were invited into the scheme
- Each vendor was asked to administer their own loans
- I have not done any running around on NVA's behalf. I did try hard to make the overall scheme work
The fact that no other vendor would join the scheme, and what it may have to do with NVA, is for them to explain, if they so wish. The bringing of lots of old baggage (the same old stuff) into TAS is really not welcome.
If anyone wants to contribute further, they are welcome. However, please do not attempt to dream up events or a timeline that didn't happen.
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Post by chukka on Apr 21, 2016 17:46:40 GMT
- NVA were specifically invited because all the other forums had shut down discussion of the brand's productsand why is that so ?? FFS is it so hard to see ? But you seem hard bent on justifying your actions, when in fact you where merely (naively) offering a channel for Mr. NVA in the hope that it would benefit TaS members. Why not just acknowledge that it has backfired and move on (as all other forums have done) ? |
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Post by Slinger on Apr 21, 2016 17:52:57 GMT
You keep kicking that dead horse to see if there's life in it Chucky. You don't look the slightest bit daft...or boring...or...much of anything really, other than vindictive for some reason. Oh yeah, and you just basically called an Admin a liar. Good move.
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Post by chukka on Apr 21, 2016 17:54:54 GMT
... and that coming from an admin / moderator of HFS. Me kicking a dead horse ? You gotta be jokin' Slinger... but very predictable as well... who is next ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 17:58:58 GMT
- NVA were specifically invited because all the other forums had shut down discussion of the brand's productsand why is that so ?? FFS is it so hard to see ? But you seem hard bent on justifying your actions, when in fact you where merely (naively) offering a channel for Mr. NVA in the hope that it would benefit TaS members. Why not just acknowledge that it has backfired and move on (as all other forums have done) ? Bitter much??? |
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Post by chukka on Apr 21, 2016 18:01:50 GMT
like a lemon ? Mr. Pyjama are you offended ?
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Post by MartinT on Apr 21, 2016 18:09:17 GMT
- NVA were specifically invited because all the other forums had shut down discussion of the brand's productsand why is that so ?? FFS is it so hard to see ? But you seem hard bent on justifying your actions, when in fact you where merely (naively) offering a channel for Mr. NVA in the hope that it would benefit TaS members. Why not just acknowledge that it has backfired and move on (as all other forums have done) ? One of the fundamental tenets of TAS is freedom to discuss all products without any dictatorial bias. Can you not see past your belligerent views that you're simply wrong? Your prose oozes the negative bias that you see fit to accuse others of having. Did you actually read the post where we laid out our reasons for the loan scheme closure, or is that an unfortunate detail? |
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Post by MartinT on Apr 21, 2016 18:13:15 GMT
... and that coming from an admin / moderator of HFS. Me kicking a dead horse ? You gotta be jokin' Slinger... but very predictable as well... who is next ? Enough. You're making yourself look stupid. |
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Post by chukka on Apr 21, 2016 18:28:44 GMT
I rather look stupid than fake ;-) but that is my personal opinion. Is it not true that Slinger is an admin on hfs ? Do "admins" benefit from special untouchable status ? Haha !
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Post by MartinT on Apr 21, 2016 18:40:46 GMT
I rather look stupid than fake ;-) but that is my personal opinion. Is it not true that Slinger is an admin on hfs ? Do "admins" benefit from special untouchable status ? Haha ! You obviously don't know when to stop, so we'll do without your presence for a while, thanks. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 20:26:29 GMT
I rather look stupid than fake ;-) but that is my personal opinion. Is it not true that Slinger is an admin on hfs ? Do "admins" benefit from special untouchable status ? Haha ! You obviously don't know when to stop, so we'll do without your presence for a while, thanks. Good call! |
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