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Post by davidf on May 1, 2016 21:50:39 GMT
That is IF there is a reliability issue at Mercedes. Funny how Toto mentions after the race that both cars had issues, despite Rosberg putting in a fastest lap very late on 'just for fun'. I'm still convinced Mercedes are trying to gear up for a German work champion. But yes Singularity - the lead Rosberg has at the moment isn't too much of an issue this early on, particularly with 25 points for a win on the table - as you say, one DNF from Rosberg puts Hamilton firmly back in the hunt. I enjoyed Vettel's rant after crashing out
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 9:59:39 GMT
Hamilton did an excellent job to go from 10th to 2nd, and I generally think that he would have caught and hopefully overtaken Rosberg in the closing stages of the Grand Prix had he not had further gremlins.
I really hope they manage to sort out the issues with Hamilton's car soon though as it is getting a little silly.
Kevin Magnussen would have to be my driver of the day though, he did such a good job to get his car into the points.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 10:02:03 GMT
That is IF there is a reliability issue at Mercedes. Funny how Toto mentions after the race that both cars had issues, despite Rosberg putting in a fastest lap very late on 'just for fun'. I'm still convinced Mercedes are trying to gear up for a German work champion. If Hamilton's run of failures continues I think you could be right...
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Post by MartinT on May 3, 2016 11:08:28 GMT
Yep, a tie between K-Mag and Grosjean for me, both driving dogs to beyond their ability.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 11:18:57 GMT
To be fair - Alonso did very well too, but I still fear his best is way beyond him!
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Post by pre65 on May 4, 2016 12:31:39 GMT
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Post by MartinT on May 4, 2016 16:51:42 GMT
I didn't know that Lewis' car had zero water pressure for the last 16 laps. Goodness knows how he nursed it home, but good job!
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Post by barnboy on May 4, 2016 17:32:37 GMT
I go with the conspiritists on this one. I think the deal was done last season to stop the two using the opportunity to do the proverbial Vettel Webber/Ricardo situation and as above German Car, German driver is a winner to help push Merc sales and stop a costly constant rebuild and loss of points. Might also account for Hamiltons loss of form at the end of 2015. The only way to keep them apart now is to knobble Hamiltons car 'mechanically' I seriously don't buy their version as 1)what F1 car can do 16 laps with no water? Miraculous but implausible 2)They use the same engineering shop as it were so the base components are the same. So all the failures just happen on one car. The law of averages would rule that out plus as the crème de la crème of automotive engineering excellence Mercedes would have decent quality control over everything 3 Bad start procedure 1st couple of races I can buy that Rosberg adapted quicker....nah no way the just had to dial out a little and after all the practise these guys do it would cause him issues Rant over
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Post by MartinT on May 4, 2016 17:34:41 GMT
The one fly in the ointment with your version? Niki Lauda would never play a part in such a conspiracy, he would walk away.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 20:13:30 GMT
There's another huge anomaly in any German champion conspiracy: Mercedes undoubtedly wants the constructors title. Does anyone seriously think they would risk the chance of this un-necessarily by throwing away masses of points?
It's early in the season and there have been plenty examples over the years of a team making big strides as a season progresses, Any team deliberately throwing away tens of points so early on would be crazy to do so because they could be overtaken by a late-blooming rival.
There's also the risk of unplanned mechanical troubles for Rosberg AND Hamilton. It would just need a bout of unreliability for Mercedes to end up losing both drivers and constructors titles,
That's before we consider a driver being out for several races due to njury. Imagine sabotaging one driver only to find the one you'd promoted at his expense was out for a few races. That's a recipe for losing both titles.
As fun as the conspiracy theories are, this one just doesn't seem plausible to me. I didn't hear too many similarbtheiriesnlastbyear when Rosberg had his share of bad luck.
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Post by barnboy on May 5, 2016 8:49:51 GMT
The one fly in the ointment with your version? Niki Lauda would never play a part in such a conspiracy, he would walk away. We all hope that people are honourable and have a passion for what they do. But as they always say in a whodunit 'follow the money'. I'm sure Niki and Toto would want no truck with chicanery of any sort but lets face it F1 is a global entertainment business probably driven by money more than any other. I mean look who's in charge, good ol' Bernie
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Post by MartinT on May 5, 2016 9:20:08 GMT
Bernie is a money grabber who has shown time and time again that he has no passion for the sport.
I would never compare him with Niki, who is a true racer.
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Post by pre65 on May 5, 2016 12:02:52 GMT
Lewis was informed by radio during the race about water pressure problems.
Interesting as conspiracy theories are I can't believe Mercedes would risk their reputation to "fix" the results in favour of Rosberg.
I'm sure the Mercedes top dogs would favour a German F-1 champion, that is only natural, but to fix the results - no.
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Post by davidf on May 5, 2016 14:35:17 GMT
There's another huge anomaly in any German champion conspiracy: Mercedes undoubtedly wants the constructors title. Does anyone seriously think they would risk the chance of this un-necessarily by throwing away masses of points? It's early in the season and there have been plenty examples over the years of a team making big strides as a season progresses, Any team deliberately throwing away tens of points so early on would be crazy to do so because they could be overtaken by a late-blooming rival. There's also the risk of unplanned mechanical troubles for Rosberg AND Hamilton. It would just need a bout of unreliability for Mercedes to end up losing both drivers and constructors titles, That's before we consider a driver being out for several races due to njury. Imagine sabotaging one driver only to find the one you'd promoted at his expense was out for a few races. That's a recipe for losing both titles. As fun as the conspiracy theories are, this one just doesn't seem plausible to me. I didn't hear too many similarbtheiriesnlastbyear when Rosberg had his share of bad luck. Mercedes scored 703 points last year in the Contructor's Championship. Second place was Ferrari with 428 - they can afford to lose points. Mercedes don't want to completely nobble Hamilton, just a free early setbacks andsome loss of points over his team mate, might just be enough to put the dampers on him and keep Rosberg feeling good and sitting pretty. This approach would avoid the likes of Spa last year where Rosberg was playing dirty on track to gain the upper hand against his team mate. As for unplanned failures, yes, there could be a few races where their drivers are taken out like Vettel in Russia, but Mercedes have been very reliable for the last couple of years.
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Post by davidf on May 5, 2016 14:37:29 GMT
The one fly in the ointment with your version? Niki Lauda would never play a part in such a conspiracy, he would walk away. Maybe not 30/40 years ago (full respect to him for how he was), but he's a different man now. He's now part of management within a team, rather than being a driver that was only looking out for himself. People change, particularly when being paid big bucks to ensure the best for the top dog who is paying those big bucks.
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Post by MartinT on May 5, 2016 14:49:10 GMT
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Post by barnboy on May 5, 2016 17:59:37 GMT
And that goes some way to prove that money/rep run F1 plus the other possibility of FIA standing for "Ferrari International Assistance" How upset was Vettel?
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Post by stanleyb on May 5, 2016 18:09:07 GMT
There is a part to that story that I have seen discussed in the commentary section on the Guardian and BBC website that caught my attention. Many pointed out that it was partly Vettel's fault because he was slowing down when he was hit the 2nd time in Sochi. It is correct to say that Vettel was slowing down. And that incident and those comments separate the good driver from the rest. A good driver looks at the car ahead of him, and at the car ahead of the one ahead of him. If Kvyatt had done just that he would have noticed that Perez, who was in front of Vettel, was slowing down on the lefthand side of the track. There were also quite a few car left of Vettel, all of them heading straight for the back of Perez. Vettel used caution when seeing Perez slowed down. Perez could have tried to get out of the oncoming traffic by going left or right, which would have been straight into the path of Vettel. This is the kind of situation that often results in tail gating collisions on the road. Many drivers only look at the car in front of them, and not noticing an impending incident ahead of them. I have seen this many times on the motorways.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2016 18:13:47 GMT
Wow I cannot believe what they've done to Kvyat... But I think it has more to do with the desire to keep Verstappen than it has to do with Kvyat or his performances.
Let's see how Verstappen compares with Riccardo... I think he'll struggle a little more than he has with Sainz.
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Post by MartinT on May 5, 2016 18:36:50 GMT
I hope Ricciardo keeps him in place. Future star he may well be, but he needs to learn the ropes and show some respect first.
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