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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 20:41:54 GMT
Not me, although I was tempted, I can't justify the cost of one in the context of my system unless I bought a very short one and I really hate short interconnects. I do love NVA interconnects though and I'm sure anyone trying or buying one won't be disappointed, they seem to work well in any system I've tried them too. Also I must say I have never broken one, not even the old Soundpipes. I've always found them really well made.
Edit. Sorry I thought everyone was talking about TIS. I'm not interested in the BMU as I really don't like extra boxes, especially ones with upward facing sockets. I get really OCD over clutter and wires. I know it must sound unduly picky but I just can't relax with messy surroundings.
I know there was tentative mention of balanced mains being built into some NVA amps at some stage. That would interest me far more.
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Post by ChrisB on Jan 4, 2016 20:45:20 GMT
I think that folks may have thought you wanted to borrow the balanced mains unit Andrew.
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Post by Greg on Jan 4, 2016 20:58:39 GMT
Hmm, so the posts that have followed mine have rather emphasised that there appears to be some confusion and none of us know where we really stand, because Kaz is not managing this as RD intended him to. Dave, you seem to have a bit of a handle on this. could you intervene with RD's blessing and bring a bit of organisation to it all?
I hope so, thanks.
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Post by ChrisB on Jan 4, 2016 21:06:03 GMT
Greg, Dave is actually already trying to pull these loose ends together. We can't access PMs and nor do we wish to, so we can't know what has been requested unless Kaz shows up.
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Post by dsjr on Jan 4, 2016 21:48:45 GMT
If Andrew isn't interested, then Greg should be next as I have nobody else listed. P.S. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to have anything to do with 'everything else,' as the BMU was priority here, but the other amp products are available too and offer much in their price ranges.. Psst - they sound good with Klotz MC5000 interconnects too, but don't tell the Doc  The NVA speaker cables work with anything else out there and must be better than Chord Co. and similar high-profit dealer-supplied cables at anywhere near the price. |
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Post by ChrisB on Jan 4, 2016 22:01:40 GMT
One other request that I know about Dave, is that Steve (Accudazed) also requested the TIS. This was quite some time ago now - Kaz did respond and Steve sent him his address but, as far as I know, has not heard anything since, despite sending a reminder (possibly two).
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Post by Greg on Jan 4, 2016 22:42:52 GMT
OK, so we still have no structure and a lot of confusion. Please, can someone, anyone especially someone associated with NVA confirm I am next on the list and need to discuss with Accudazed? Is that right? I have to say I have previously been involved in round robin kit sampling and it has never before been as difficult as this. Why is the whole thing not published openly on the forum so we all know the situation, where we stand and who we need to talk to to arrange receipt and who to send on to?
A very big bag of spanners which needs a serious sort out!
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Post by ChrisB on Jan 4, 2016 22:50:53 GMT
The situation is as it is because Kaz said he would do it, took some requests and then disappeared off the face of the earth.
We agreed to let this happen in good faith and the other part of the bargain was that Kaz would provide input as a normal member of the forum, as distinct to his association with NVA. So far, we have not seen one iota of that.
We have spent far more time and energy trying to make it work than we should have and the result is that we are beginning to regret having got into this and I expect it's not doing NVA any favours either (as your posts comfirm).
In summary, Kaz appears to have pissed in everyone's cornflakes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 23:04:10 GMT
My cornflakes are piss free.
There may be circumstances that we know nothing about preventing Kaz doing what he is "supposed" to be?
If anyone is desperate to find out where they are on the list, why don't you pop over to HFS and ask there? After all, that is the home of the loan scheme.
It would be the sensible place to ask.
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Post by dsjr on Jan 5, 2016 7:53:41 GMT
Greg is up next and Alaska has requested it after. I believe you sort out addresses between yourselves?? If that's incorrect, I'll get clarification.
P.S. Not sure how long the packing box will stand constant shipping, taping, ripping open and so on as the BMU isn't a lightweight item. If it's looking tired, maybe let the Doc or me know and we can sort it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2016 12:40:38 GMT
If Andrew isn't interested, then Greg should be next as I have nobody else listed. P.S. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to have anything to do with 'everything else,' as the BMU was priority here, but the other amp products are available too and offer much in their price ranges.. Psst - they sound good with Klotz MC5000 interconnects too, but don't tell the Doc The NVA speaker cables work with anything else out there and must be better than Chord Co. and similar high-profit dealer-supplied cables at anywhere near the price. The one item I'm amazed isn't being borrowed is the new P20 passive. It's £100 and apparently sounds as good as the P50 (bloody good IMO) due to its identical internals. Only one EBay sale so far as well, which I find hard to understand. There has been so much talk of BTE, Tisbury and other low cost passive preamps on forums, there seems to be a significant demand for them. Yet nobody appears to want to try the P20. I know Dave may be building these so cannot really say much, but I have no affiliations so I felt it was only right to point out what I feel is a huge bargain that people can try for nowt. |
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Post by pre65 on Jan 5, 2016 13:11:20 GMT
I may be wrong here, but I thought NVA amps were suited to passive pres because the amps had an extra gain stage inside to go with them ?
I've found the passives I've tried to be OK, but somewhat lacking in the "drive" department.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2016 14:27:34 GMT
Some power amps IME are useless with passives, but many are really wonderful. I think it has much to do with input sensitivity but I'm no techie so don't take my word for it. For anyone contemplating trying a passive, others here will be able to say more about likely compatibility.
I believe the line stages on Some active preamps are actually passive, so it's not always as easy to tell what you're listenng to.
BTW you're right about NVA amps having extra gain stages to compensate.k
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Post by dsjr on Jan 6, 2016 0:04:23 GMT
With a CD source (up to 2V), I can use a passive with the 1.3V Krell KSA50S, although I feel one of the matching Krell preamps would suit the gain structure better, even if the sound wasn't changed. The NVA amp seems to follow practise of old with a high sensitivity - I suspect somewhere between 500 and 750mV, I don't know the exact figure. This is enough for vintage tuners to feed a passive preamp connected to them as well as a CD with the volume control set lower of course. The phono stages, as far as I can see and hear, have a high output (my Phono 2 is set to MM but I have used it configured for MC) which is fairly comparable to a CD output level. Many vintage phono stages had a similar output to a tuner or vintage tape deck and this gives rise to the old Naim-style situation where the volume is deafening at 9 o'clock on CD, yet for vinyl, the control is at one o'clock or higher. I'm using a P20 to drive my headphone amp a Crown D-60, and there's plenty of gain. It really is a lovely little thing and its ousted my home made equivalent, which had the same attenuators as Tisbury use. These attenuators are very cheap for what they are and the channels track perfectly as they should, but the film pot used in the P20 'sounds' slightly clearer I think - and I fought the Doc's opinion on this until I directly compared them! P20's are in stock at NVA Towers, but the A20 will be a week or two yet. I'll be well out of here up to my neck in it once the final parts come through |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 1:11:07 GMT
The P20 looks like a very nice bit of kit (I have a soft spot for plexiglas boxing having made many in the '80s) and the price is a no brainer for something which essentially hand built and point-to-point wired.
I was tempted to get a Tisbury when my Quad 33 was out of action but instead opted for economy and built a simple input/output box with an Alps Blue 10k wired as a voltage divider. It worked surprisingly well when feeding tuner, CD or Mac/DAC output into my Quad 303 and I would have stuck with it if I didn't need a phono stage (I like what the 33 stage does..) Despite the experience of others I certainly didn't find it lacking in drive - or distortion (despite the 303's 0.5 v input limitation)
During the 33 rebuild I also tried it in effectively 'passive' mode - bypassing the output boards and wiring the output directly from the volume pot. This also worked well and gave the advantage of being able to use the phono stage and switching gear - so much so that I might return to this wiring at some point.
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Post by ChrisB on Jan 6, 2016 8:18:07 GMT
OK, I saw John on Sunday and he gave me the BMU to pass on to Steve (Accudazed). I'll be giving it to him when I see him today, so if Greg could send Steve his address details sometime in the next few days, he can probably expect it to arrive with him in about a week.
While it has been in my care I have spent a few hours with my system connected to it, so I'll be saying a few words about it in the appropriate place.
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Post by MartinT on Jan 6, 2016 9:25:41 GMT
Just for the record I now have the TIS cable.
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Post by dsjr on Jan 6, 2016 16:29:14 GMT
Chaps, Kaz is up to his neck in things away from audio, so the Doc has asked me to oversee it. As I asked on HFS, please be kind with me as I've not done this sort of thing before. I'll keep a note on who's got what and it seems the main things are the BMU and TIS right now?
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Post by Greg on Jan 6, 2016 18:19:01 GMT
OK, I saw John on Sunday and he gave me the BMU to pass on to Steve (Accudazed). I'll be giving it to him when I see him today, so if Greg could send Steve his address details sometime in the next few days, he can probably expect it to arrive with him in about a week. While it has been in my care I have spent a few hours with my system connected to it, so I'll be saying a few words about it in the appropriate place. Thanks Chris. I will PM Steve my address. |
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Post by Greg on Jan 6, 2016 20:18:25 GMT
Dave, please can I be added to the list to trial the TIS.
Thanks,
Greg
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The NVA speaker cables work with anything else out there and must be better than Chord Co. and similar high-profit dealer-supplied cables at anywhere near the price.
