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Post by ChrisB on Nov 26, 2015 8:37:19 GMT
We've welcomed new member Kaz into the The Audio Standard fold and we know that he will be co-coordinating an equipment loan scheme for NVA, so I'm sure members would like to know how it will work. So Kaz, how does it work?
TAS ADMIN EDIT (5/4/2016): This loan scheme is now closed. Please see here for more details.
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Post by MartinT on Nov 26, 2015 11:15:48 GMT
I've started the ball rolling by requesting the loan of an NVA BMU. I'm looking forward to comparing the BMU with my P10 regenerator as I've been curious about their relative performance for quite a while now. I will compare both and then I may just try the BMU feeding the P10 to listen to the combined result.
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Post by pre65 on Nov 26, 2015 13:12:40 GMT
Does RD have the right to veto loan requests ?
I don't read his forum now so don't know his current take on loaning equipment to his "adversaries".
Does the loan scheme include interconnects ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 13:26:01 GMT
I believe speaker cables will come with amps because these are necessary but will have to check with Kaz. NVA will work with other interconnects. Since RD ultimately supplies equipment to Kaz I am sure he can recommend that certain people can't have the kit. They know who they are anyway.
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Post by John on Nov 26, 2015 13:48:53 GMT
We have no control over loans This is a private arrangement between Kaz and the individual
All correspondence around this is private
We have made our position clear around NVA and RD and will stick with that
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Post by ChrisB on Nov 27, 2015 8:45:01 GMT
Does RD have the right to veto loan requests ?
I don't read his forum now so don't know his current take on loaning equipment to his "adversaries".
Does the loan scheme include interconnects ? I would imagine, since the gear is his property, he would reserve the right to deny its use by anyone whom he decides shouldn't have it. I would want that if it were mine, wouldn't you? I'd suggest a PM to Kaz on whether you might be included or excluded if you are in doubt. And that goes for anyone else who might consider themselves to be (to use your term) an adversary - we don't want any more raking up of old battles here or anywhere else, thanks. A public reply from Kaz about interconnect cables would be of interest to quite a few people, I'd imagine. However, Kaz doesn't seem to have spotted this thread yet, despite my having sent him a PM to notify him of its existence. |
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Post by ynwan on Nov 27, 2015 13:11:53 GMT
If the equipment is supplied by NVA what is the role of this Kaz bloke? Why couldn't anyone interested just borrow it direct from the manufacturer? Is it just that RD can't promote this idea on other forums because he has been banned from most/all of them (he even managed to get banned from an earlier iteration of his own)?
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Post by MartinT on Nov 27, 2015 13:55:08 GMT
Kaz is an agent of NVA and he has correctly declared his interest. We now have a direct route for members to borrow NVA equipment, not for them or anyone else to openly sell. The fact that some other sites have not only banned RD the person but also virtually stifle or berate all mention of NVA is a disservice to their members. We're better than that and will maintain open links with all vendors as far as we possibly can as a service to our members.
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Post by magictorch on Nov 27, 2015 17:29:55 GMT
Good evening all, I hope preparations are afoot for a weekend of fine tunes and other delights!
All of the loan equipment belongs to Richard, so I feel Chris' post effectively answers the questions posed regarding qualifying to receive a loan item. If you have interest however, please don't hesitate to contact me (PM or email) and we will take it from there. I am keen to try and build good relations with all members of the community, but may on occasion have to refer to Richard as I clearly have a responsibility to safeguard his possessions.
Cables are included in the loan scheme. There is a list of items available elsewhere, but I'm not going to link to it now, as I want to check that this is OK with TAS management first. I'm sure that we can devise an alternate way of list access, should linking to another website not be considered acceptable.
Apologies that you have had a bit of a delay in response, I will endeavour to ensure that I log in here on a daily basis as a minimum.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2015 19:57:21 GMT
Good on you, Kaz. The thing tha seems to have got lost in all this is that you are doing all this for free, presumably because you believe in the kit. Whatever the history, or what anyone thinks of Richard or even NVA, I hope they don't lose sight of your contribution here.
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Post by accudazed on Nov 27, 2015 21:33:55 GMT
Blimey.
I've just joined TAS and come across this thread! What a great idea - there's no substitute for listening to new sruff in your own home on your own system.
I'm very interested in trying NVA stuff (not to be confused with NWA stuff, ho, ho...) as it seems to be very well made and there are some interesting engineering approaches taken too. Why not give it a try I say! There are even some high end NVA cables too.
Is there a list of stuff available - what exactly is available?
Thanks
Steve
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Post by guy on Nov 28, 2015 11:01:06 GMT
Hi Accudazed,
as you are interested in cables I had a look and found these in the loan scheme:
Interconnects
SSC 1m
SSP 1m
T.I.S 1m
Speaker cables
LS1 3m
LS3 3m
LS5 3m
LS6 3m
TSCS (ex LS7) 3m
I use LS5 and consider it one of my best buys (and I was previously skeptical about how big a difference a cable could make), although I do use NVA amplification so they have been designed to work well with each other.
all the best. Guy.
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Post by MartinT on Nov 28, 2015 11:11:42 GMT
I can recommend LS6, having tried it. Good cable.
EDIT: I have tried LS7 too, even better, it equalled TQ UB at half the price.
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Post by AlanS on Nov 28, 2015 11:40:57 GMT
Magic Torch
Will the AP10H be part of the scheme? It is the only NVA hardware I own. I can recommend it for any harder to drive phones due to it's output reserves and the lack of any distortion to the signal/sound. If the other amplification is of the same house sound, or lack of, then it is well worth trying it out.
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Post by magictorch on Nov 29, 2015 22:12:46 GMT
I don't believe that there is an AP10 p/h (p denotes single input, h headphone only) currently available. Hopefully this will change soon, as they share the NVA DNA 100%. I'd say that the P20/A20 combination is a perhaps an even more exciting option having heard the A20 Power Amp. I don't believe that there is an A20 quite ready to go, but you can register interest by PM.
Currently, the items are being issued on seven day loan, but I'm sure that this could be extended slightly with prior arrangement. The ultimate goal is to get an item passed from enthusiast to enthusiast, as this will eliminate courier costs and likely ensure safer passage. Currently courier costs do need to be passed on, but again PM any interest, as collection could potentially be arranged.
NVA loan list as at 29.11.2015
Pre-amps
P20
P50
P90
stepped attenuator option available (P50 and P90)
Power amps
A30
A40s
Integrated amps
AP20
Phono stages
Phono 1
Phono 2
In either MM or MC
Speakers
Cubettes
CUBE 2
CUBE 3
Interconnects
Super Sound Cord (SSC) 1m
Super Sound Pipe (SSP) 1m
The Interconnect Statement (TIS) 1m
Speaker cables
LS1 3m
LS3 3m
LS5 3m
LS6 3m
The Speaker Cable Statement (previously known as LS7) 3m
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Post by MartinT on Nov 29, 2015 22:44:40 GMT
So no BMU at the moment? Is there more than one model, and what is the VA rating please?
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Post by dsjr on Nov 29, 2015 23:50:20 GMT
I believe there is a large misunderstanding regarding what rating is necessary from a BMU. For the present, I believe 1000VA is the optimum NVA BMU rating for the vast majority of systems out there and the Krell is fine being used through mine, which I bought and paid for. I was witness to the Doc's original humungous one humming and snarling through a Saturday afternoon, so his compromise was to basically put two standard BMU transformers into the over-large case he uses for his own system and test products. As I understand it, adding up the VA ratings of all the transformers in the system is NOT the way to do it. I do appreciate the Chord power supply is different to typical ones so 'suck it and see' probably applies more than ever here. The traded in TAS amps with similarly huge and very heavy power supplies, one heavy box per channel, from 'Applemarc' worked just fine with it.
Hope this helps a bit.
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Post by ChrisB on Nov 29, 2015 23:53:13 GMT
Martin has moved on from his Chord power amp.
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Post by dsjr on Nov 30, 2015 0:01:03 GMT
EEK!!!
Sorry, I didn't know...
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Post by magictorch on Nov 30, 2015 0:07:01 GMT
The items available list that I recently posted details all current loan stock. The BMU is to be added shortly once there is one ready to go. I will make enquiries, as I am aware that Martin has already registered interest. I will seek info on the VA rating, but suggest that the answer will likely be more than enough to power any hifi system. There is one model in the NVA BMU range. A larger prototype resides at NVA towers, but I don't believe it was felt that musical gains justified the extra production cost. I don't recollect that capacity requirements were in any way a driver for the bigger unit, but again, will confirm  |
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