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Post by brian2957 on Jan 12, 2016 12:57:05 GMT
James , why not contact Steve at Electric Beach and ask for another support and have 4 under the amp .
I use a set of 3 facing forward under my music server .
How are you finding them BTW .
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 12, 2016 13:02:19 GMT
Adjust for the weight rather than equal on the bottom of the box
If using 3 then try 4 if you can
I have found 3 supports sound better than 4, except for the black ravioli latest which work in a different way. 4 is best for them
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Post by MartinT on Jan 12, 2016 13:25:18 GMT
4 Black Raviolis do work best and that took some re-thinking. They need to be in contact with parts of the chassis.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 12, 2016 16:05:43 GMT
Yes, the Black ravioli take us into a different place with the electrical things they clean up Wonder if I can talk myself into some more if I think about the *2* things they do
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Post by dsjr on Jan 12, 2016 16:19:30 GMT
I can't get my head round Black Ravioli stuff and the silly prices they charge. Shrink-wrapped and sealed foam is what they appear to be. Why not try some fairly dense foam (what goes into large seat cushions - quite cheap from Dunhelm Mill), trim neatly into little cubes or rectangles and off you go...
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Post by John on Jan 12, 2016 17:49:05 GMT
It one of those things you have to try for yourself and see if it works I can understand where you coming from but in Martins system they built a lot of serious isolation and made a more than reasonable difference to the SQ when put under the Ayre I would go as far to say a essential element in his system in terms of getting the best out of the system
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Post by MartinT on Jan 12, 2016 18:11:47 GMT
Yes, the BRs don't make sense but whatever they do is quite different from anything else I've tried (and I've tried a lot of support accessories). No sorbothane or foam comes close. The RDCs don't come close. They do both isolation and damping at once. I wish there was a cheaper equivalent but I've not found one yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 18:21:39 GMT
Has anybody tried magnetic feet. There is a seller on ebay called "Solidairaudio" selling a product that looks interesting. Here
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Post by John on Jan 12, 2016 18:26:18 GMT
Yes magnetic feet work well on the Salvation but think you may need to be careful with most equipment Adding magnetic fields is generally not ideal
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Post by MartinT on Jan 12, 2016 18:27:44 GMT
I've tried to fabricate my own but gave up because the magnets are stupidly strong and difficult to work with.
Those look interesting.
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Post by dsjr on Jan 12, 2016 23:18:12 GMT
I agree that some things just don't make sense. One of my tales coming on - I own a Micro-Seiki CD-M2. A player based on the Philips generic chassis platform that spawned the Marantz CD94, Philips 960 and others I think. Solid rosewood, thick milled top and extra mass in the bottom makes for a VERY heavy machine and that's before the electrical tweaks inside.. Our friendly and very highly skilled engineer also had one and chose to sit it on a aerolam style 'Sicomin' support, a honeycomb interior, clear top and bottom with edging and three viciously sharp spikes. I asked him to fit a Trichord 'Clock 2' which he did. This machine was the first one I'd heard where the soundstage was powerful and three-D, totally lacking the 'bleached' quality in so many early machines. Prior and Subsequent listening comparisons showed that either mod made a small improvement in spatial clarity (horrible words , apologies) and I ended up with both. The weight of the thing I thought would have negated any possible sonic change by adding an 'isolation' platform and the amount of internal regulation, smoothing (and extra regulation added on one of the rails around the DAC chip) should have minimised the need for a clock change (which made little difference to the almost identical CD-94 - the Micro has a separate transformer coupled output stage grafted on top of the stock one and it's this where the magic really happens for whatever reason (transformers self-absorbing ultrasonic and rf muck coming out?). Anyway, whatever works for the individual. Micro Seiki below..
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Post by MartinT on Jan 13, 2016 6:55:33 GMT
Swap out those NE5534 op-amps for something better and it'll go up a step in sound quality.
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Post by steveeb on Jan 13, 2016 13:29:15 GMT
How is everyone positioning these rocking' rollers under equipment? If use them pointing forwards (toward the listener) the same way as the pictures on eBay, show my integrated amp is so unstable it nearly tips sideways! (Blame the massive transformer on the right hand side of the amp) Turning them 90º seems to help but its still less stable than just using the equipments standard feet. Cheers, James As Mike says James, position them according to the weight distribution. I have a valve DAC with heavy capacitors that put most of the weight to one side, so I have two to that side and only one (brass) centred to the lighter side, rather than symmetrical front to back. I'll send you a fourth so you feel safe
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Post by rallye666 on Jan 13, 2016 15:16:40 GMT
How is everyone positioning these rocking' rollers under equipment? If use them pointing forwards (toward the listener) the same way as the pictures on eBay, show my integrated amp is so unstable it nearly tips sideways! (Blame the massive transformer on the right hand side of the amp) Turning them 90º seems to help but its still less stable than just using the equipments standard feet. Cheers, James As Mike says James, position them according to the weight distribution. I have a valve DAC with heavy capacitors that put most of the weight to one side, so I have two to that side and only one (brass) centred to the lighter side, rather than symmetrical front to back. I'll send you a fourth so you feel safe Thanks ever so much Steve, I've tried fiddling around but it still feels a bit precarious! They do seem to have made a bit of a difference. Mainly to basslines and low level details - its still a bit early for me to tell at the moment, as I've only had them in the system for a day.
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Post by John on Jan 14, 2016 5:26:36 GMT
Yes they are a bit strange to balance but agree with how they help amazing value for money
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Post by brian2957 on Jan 14, 2016 6:12:44 GMT
Yup , I've had my EB Rockin'Rollers for a while now and they're staying put
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Post by jandl100 on Jan 14, 2016 8:26:54 GMT
Yes magnetic feet work well on the Salvation but think you may need to be careful with most equipment Adding magnetic fields is generally not ideal I had magnetic support feet for a while (as previously reported, I think). Under my NAD S300 amp they worked well sonically .... but I am convinced skewed the L/R balance of the sound. A subtle effect but irritating. At the time, iirc, Martin conjectured the very strong magnetic field (enough to support a 27Kg amp) might be affecting the circuitry. I got rid. I have the Rockin Rollers, but as per inevitability with me after a while I just cannot be bothered and I don't use them now. Fancy footers seems to bring out a strange combination of annoying OCD and an anti-foo side of me. I feel happier and more at ease without them. Strange but true.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 14, 2016 9:03:58 GMT
You just shove them under, check the sound is better and leave them there - surely ?
My system would take a step back without them
Looks weird to any normal person but I care not
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Post by jandl100 on Jan 14, 2016 9:16:01 GMT
You just shove them under, check the sound is better and leave them there - surely ? Well, no. I change cables / connections as well as moving things around. But that's just rationalising, I suspect ... ... I used to be a proper footer fetishist. But there's something about the whole footer / support thing that just kind of annoys me now and has done for decades. ... my dislike for them doesn't have to make sense, OK?!
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 14, 2016 9:46:09 GMT
Think I'm at the other end of the fiddling spectrum Just wanna listen to that music
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