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Post by jandl100 on Nov 7, 2015 7:00:50 GMT
It would be fascinating to try some of these new BRs myself.  |
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Post by jandl100 on Nov 7, 2015 7:01:27 GMT
Because they made a difference when suspended in the air (this was witnessed by Mike as well) and was the last thing I could ever imagine happening I have no explanation for this but no isolation going on in that moment. Wow - that is what is known as 'weird shit'  Could it just be that the component was away from a source of EMI when suspended, nowt to do with the BR at all, and when in place on the rack it was affected? |
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Post by ChrisB on Nov 7, 2015 7:22:57 GMT
The way I understand it from what has been said Jerry, is that the component was in position and never moved and Martin just holding the BR above it when a change was heard. I may be wrong but I don't think anyone was actually listening for a change at that point.
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Post by John on Nov 7, 2015 7:42:40 GMT
Because they made a difference when suspended in the air (this was witnessed by Mike as well) and was the last thing I could ever imagine happening I have no explanation for this but no isolation going on in that moment. Wow - that is what is known as 'weird shit' Could it just be that the component was away from a source of EMI when suspended, nowt to do with the BR at all, and when in place on the rack it was affected? It could be but the difference happened when Martin put the BR under the Caiman so seemed connected at the time We just waiting for Martin to put the Caiman back in position at the time |
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Post by jandl100 on Nov 7, 2015 8:37:44 GMT
The way I understand it from what has been said Jerry, is that the component was in position and never moved and Martin just holding the BR above it when a change was heard. I may be wrong but I don't think anyone was actually listening for a change at that point. Ah - I thought the Caiman DAC was 'suspended'. |
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Post by jandl100 on Nov 7, 2015 8:44:11 GMT
Certainly, ime, EMI-related hum can change from bad to zero by moving kit just a few cm. So maybe non-hum EMI effects were doing the same?
I'm not trying to diss the BR, but what was reported is such a weird observation that alternative explanations do need to be considered!
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Post by MartinT on Nov 7, 2015 8:51:06 GMT
Also, the BR makes a difference at low volumes which means either there is a lot of subsonic vibration in my house (see the Townshend video) or it's doing something else.
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Post by ynwan on Nov 7, 2015 9:05:01 GMT
The way I understand it from what has been said Jerry, is that the component was in position and never moved and Martin just holding the BR above it when a change was heard. I may be wrong but I don't think anyone was actually listening for a change at that point. His body mass standing in one part of the room is likely to have far more impact on the acoustics than these Ravioli. Surely this is like putting a bigger engine in your car and respraying it, then concluding that the increase in performance is down to the colour change! |
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Post by ynwan on Nov 7, 2015 9:05:18 GMT
Also, the BR makes a difference at low volumes which means either there is a lot of subsonic vibration in my house (see the Townshend video) or it's doing something else. Those aren't the only two options though... |
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Post by ChrisB on Nov 7, 2015 10:35:24 GMT
The way I understand it from what has been said Jerry, is that the component was in position and never moved and Martin just holding the BR above it when a change was heard. I may be wrong but I don't think anyone was actually listening for a change at that point. Ah - I thought the Caiman DAC was 'suspended'. Reading what has been said since I posted the above, I think you were correct, Jerry. |
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Post by MartinT on Nov 7, 2015 10:41:21 GMT
His body mass standing in one part of the room is likely to have far more impact on the acoustics than these Ravioli. No, the consternation behind me was immediately after I had lifted the Caiman. I had already been standing there. However, I don't think it had anything to do with the BR, it was lifting the Caiman off the RDC Cones that made the difference. |
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Post by John on Nov 7, 2015 10:57:38 GMT
Yes that could be it Maybe Mike can add but if memory serves me right the SQ difference did not happen as soon as lifted them off but memory could be playing tricks
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Post by John on Nov 7, 2015 12:07:26 GMT
Here what I remember Please bare in mind at the time I was quite relaxed so I may off got this wrong
After the success of BR on the Ayre and to a lesser degree the Belles we played around first with Bug Head and then the Raspberry Pi
I suggested lets try the BR under the Caiman just to make it fair
Martin moved the Caiman by about 3 to 4 inches and removed the RDC supports. At this stage I do no remember hearing a increase in SQ Martin was very close to speakers so would of not heard what Mike and me did
Then Martin put the BR in position around this time it was when we heard in disbelief the improvement in SQ
Then Martin placed the unit on the BR and heard a little bit more improvement but not to the same degree
Here are a few possibilities
So could be accidentally moved a cable getting a better connection
Removing the Caiman from the RDC took a little while for our brains to registrar I admit this is quite possible
Martin slipped some LSD or whisky into our tea
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Post by MartinT on Nov 7, 2015 12:22:40 GMT
Martin slipped some LSD or whisky into our tea Sussed!! |
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Post by John on Nov 7, 2015 12:32:24 GMT
Ahh that explains it!
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Post by MikeMusic on Nov 7, 2015 16:47:00 GMT
We heard them doing it, whatever it was, isolation, damping, dispersal
They cost 'enough'
VFM for some, maybe me although I want to compare my RDC4s again
Rockin Rollers are VFM for anyone as their effect is far greater than their price tag.
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Post by MikeMusic on Nov 7, 2015 16:51:59 GMT
Will be easy to duplicate, best with 2 people Put the Caiman on RDC cones, listen Part way through a track lift up wait a few seconds if no change Put BRs under Caiman If no change John and I both slipped into the 4th dimension The improvement was *significant* |
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Post by brian2957 on Nov 7, 2015 18:18:06 GMT
Anyone tried the Rockin'Rollers with the new X2 footers . Using them this way is another jump in SQ |
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Post by MartinT on Nov 7, 2015 18:18:13 GMT
I've since taken the Caiman-II off the RDCs as it doesn't seem to like them. It's on squidgy feet for the moment, which is better.
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Post by John on Nov 7, 2015 20:59:00 GMT
Anyone tried the Rockin'Rollers with the new X2 footers . Using them this way is another jump in SQ Yep a nice step up in SQ |
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