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Post by danielquinn on Mar 23, 2015 13:36:39 GMT
Yes clearly . But if you are reinforcing the bass by a box[ room ] one as to question the advantages of o/b's over traditional box speakers cause the vast majority sure is ugly .
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Post by yomanze on Mar 23, 2015 13:39:45 GMT
It's a myth that there is one true way of doing speakers, there are no "best" speakers, and it is one of the most divisive components. Thus it's the hardest thing to recommend on forums - people really must find their own ideal.
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Post by danielquinn on Mar 23, 2015 13:44:06 GMT
It's a myth that there is one true way of doing speakers, there are no "best" speakers, and it is one of the most divisive components. Thus it's the hardest thing to recommend on forums - people really must find their own ideal. In order for it to myth , it must surely have advocates . I dont know anybody who declares there is one way of doing things ....... o wait a minute , bass reflex speakers are an abomination . oops , looks like your post was valid after all yomanze
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Post by MartinT on Mar 23, 2015 13:51:31 GMT
An anochailly flat frequency response is a design feature to strive for . Good one, and there are adherents on both sides I think. For me it is a myth, but then again you don't want a frequency response that looks like a stegosaurus' back. Nor do you want a flat (in all senses) BBC-type response.
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Post by yomanze on Mar 23, 2015 14:15:06 GMT
The issue with anechoic flat response is that the same speaker can have, as Amphion said it, 'a response like the Swiss alps' in a real room. Having an even off-axis response is also very important, and of course minimising certain room reflections, something which is of little importance in an anechoic chamber.
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Post by pre65 on Mar 23, 2015 14:16:55 GMT
Yes clearly . But if you are reinforcing the bass by a box[ room ] one as to question the advantages of o/b's over traditional box speakers cause the vast majority sure is ugly . For me, the best thing about OB speakers is what you don't hear.
The Box.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, they say. My OB's are not pretty, but they sound good and thats what a loudspeaker should do.
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Post by Sovereign on Mar 23, 2015 14:20:19 GMT
Yeh, My speakers look like a kitchen worktop, often thought about trying to re model them, but they will still be big beasts with 15' drivers
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Post by danielquinn on Mar 23, 2015 14:25:12 GMT
Yes clearly . But if you are reinforcing the bass by a box[ room ] one as to question the advantages of o/b's over traditional box speakers cause the vast majority sure is ugly . For me, the best thing about OB speakers is what you don't hear.
The Box.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, they say. My OB's are not pretty, but they sound good and thats what a loudspeaker should do. You miss my point , you substitute 1 box [speaker cabinet ] for another [the room ] Struggling to see the advantage therefore or should I say the ideological zeal about the absence of boxy coloration. p.s - whilst i applaud you diy skills, only you could say your speakers are pretty .
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Post by pre65 on Mar 23, 2015 14:26:56 GMT
My number two speakers are the Frugal-horn 3, mine have an En-abled Fostex FE126 drivers from Dave Duglas in Canada. Some prefer the Mark Audio drivers.
Fantastic sounds from such a compact speaker.
Ultimately not up to my OB standard, but I could live with them. The cabinets for mine came from a German guy on Ebay and they were fully made, even down to the felt inside.
PS Daniel, where did I say my OBs were pretty ?
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Post by pre65 on Mar 23, 2015 14:31:12 GMT
For me, the best thing about OB speakers is what you don't hear.
The Box.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, they say. My OB's are not pretty, but they sound good and thats what a loudspeaker should do. You miss my point , you substitute 1 box [speaker cabinet ] for another [the room ] Struggling to see the advantage therefore or should I say the ideological zeal about the absence of boxy coloration. p.s - whilst i applaud you diy skills, only you could say your speakers are pretty . Yes Daniel, but with a box speaker you have box 1 (the speaker) and box 2 (the room). Even live performances have room effects.
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Post by John on Mar 23, 2015 15:12:00 GMT
I've used open baffle speakers for years - so long in fact that I have no idea what a box speaker in my room would sound like. Started with Magneplanar MG1C nearly 30 years ago. Had to re-work the tweeter ribbon twice, and eventually had to scrap them and buy a pair of Martin Logan's - ES mid/treble and a bass driver in a box. Moved on to a pair of Podiums, a distributed mode full range unit, truly massive. Thence to a pair of Quad ESL57, and then reinforced the bass using open baffle woofers. Now I am using self-built LX521 to Siegfried Linkwitz's design - not cheap, and built as a matter of faith - but they sound quite astonishing www.linkwitzlab.com/LX521/Description.htm and my pair are pictured 3rd down www.linkwitzlab.com/LX521/PhotoGallery.htmThe myth that comes out of this is that you cannot get good or extended bass from an OB speaker. I love to hear your speakers Craig I really like the design of the Open Baffles you built James OB do extended bass well and so do mine.
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Post by John on Mar 23, 2015 15:21:40 GMT
This is why OB are not generally built by manufacturers as most people prefer small and compact. The Frugel 3 is something I certainly could live with. I think I might miss a bit of my ultimate slam of my OBs but truly another design that defies what you expect it to sound like I can usually hear box speakers, especially in the bass but every now and then I hear boxed speakers that have a similar openness of sound to OB. I tend to think we get used to how our own systems sounds warts and all so makes comparisons more difficult
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Post by MartinT on Mar 23, 2015 15:24:06 GMT
I find that OBs have impact down very well but perhaps lack the ultimate slam of a ported box speaker like mine. Fair comment?
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Post by John on Mar 23, 2015 15:28:45 GMT
I think they pretty close remember mine has increased in slam since you last heard them Both can hit you in the gut I thought yours where a lot better in treble but think gap is a lot closer now as replaced the treble units and the NAD amp is very detailed I think if ever I get the AMT drivers that would provide the next step up on the OB
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Post by John on Mar 23, 2015 15:32:13 GMT
I think yours go down a bit lower Martin
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Post by pre65 on Mar 23, 2015 15:36:08 GMT
I'm not sure the lowest bass reproduction frequency is necessarily the holy grail.
To me low bass is nice, but it has to be "tuneful".
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Post by John on Mar 23, 2015 15:39:24 GMT
Yes OB do tuneful bass
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Post by MartinT on Mar 23, 2015 15:58:00 GMT
To me low bass is nice, but it has to be "tuneful". Agreed, I can't stand one-note bass as I'm into a lot of organ music.
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Post by Sovereign on Mar 23, 2015 16:13:28 GMT
Interestingly a lot of my listening is of bass lead jazz and or blues such as Christian Mcbride, Victor Wooton etc. I was listening to Dave Brubeck late last night, Its a very rare limited edition album and I love it as the double bass is micro phoned so well. It goes massively deep, and Michael Moore slaps his bass so hard and deep it makes me jump. I have no idea how low my speakers go, not that interested, but to get the best out of any speaker you need a bloody good amp.
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Post by pre65 on Mar 23, 2015 16:28:47 GMT
I have no idea how low my speakers go, not that interested, but to get the best out of any speaker you need a bloody good amp. Agreed.
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