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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 17:58:54 GMT
Will there be any jam roly-poly on the go? No .sweet food is a waste of calories. What nonsense. Puds are the stuff of life. Tonight its gonna be thick pancakes with lashings of vanilla ice cream and maple syrup. The nectar of the gods.
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Post by chukka on Mar 26, 2015 18:04:45 GMT
A nd on a pint of fact... nice !
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Post by chukka on Mar 26, 2015 18:05:56 GMT
No .sweet food is a waste of calories. What nonsense. Puds are the stuff of life. Tonight its gonna be thick pancakes with lashings of vanilla ice cream and maple syrup. The nectar of the gods. That's for the dessert prior to that there will be a bass pie.
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Post by MartinT on Mar 26, 2015 18:42:10 GMT
A nd on a pint of fact. I take more criticism, insults and adhomien on this forum than all other members combined and not one have I objected. The world is full of opinions. If yours is worth having stand up for it or get rid of it. We try to keep these to a minimum, DQ, but as for comparisons with other forums we'd have to take your word for it. I do appreciate that you take it well. However, opinions are just that. Statements of 'fact', however, need to be challenged and backed up with evidence.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 18:42:57 GMT
Indeed active speakers here in the UK are far less popular outside the pro audio world than in Europe.
I built some fully digitally active speakers a few years ago, with ability to control x/over slope in 10hz increments, individual driver levels +/-12dB and time delay up to +/-20ms.
Spend a couple of years o the project, produced some stunning imaging, staging and the speakers totally and utterly disappeared. Did a lot of things right, very complex to complete at the time.
Though one over riding trait was totally obvious from the outset, the sound while grain free and 'beautiful' was totally devoid of an engaging musical sound, zero musical connection superb hifi but not connection to the music.
A bit like listening to a high end MBL system beautiful, beautiful sounds amazing imaging, but a totally false environment created a high end manufacturers vision of what 'hifi' should be.(IMHO)
That said, a well implemented active speaker can deliver a very good sound indeed, just not Meridian (IMHO)
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Post by Mr Whippy on Mar 26, 2015 19:00:09 GMT
Will there be any jam roly-poly on the go? No .sweet food is a waste of calories. Pity… I'd have settled for spotted dick…
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Post by pre65 on Mar 26, 2015 19:08:54 GMT
No .sweet food is a waste of calories. Pity… I'd have settled for spotted dick… I did.
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Post by Mr Whippy on Mar 26, 2015 19:29:24 GMT
Well, I cannot see the value in personal attacks. As my Granny would often say to me:
"Before you start on someone else, take a look in the mirror."
The world would be such a different place if we all could manage it, from time to time.
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Post by Greg on Mar 26, 2015 20:21:59 GMT
who needs a midrange driver I do! I value midrange quality and transparency above all else (I've often said that without a good midrange any speaker, no matter the other attributes, is worthless to me) and I think that can only be achieved with a dedicated driver rather than having the crossover set right in the middle of the range. I agree 100% which is why I use a three way system. Philip is also right in what he followed up with on this, all of course in my very humble opinion
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Post by Greg on Mar 26, 2015 20:30:48 GMT
Pity… I'd have settled for spotted dick… I did. Ah, but that is probably to do with your age. Are you still taking Viagra to stop you falling out of bed?
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Post by pre65 on Mar 26, 2015 20:36:16 GMT
I did. Ah, but that is probably to do with your age. Are you still taking Viagra to stop you falling out of bed? Moi ?
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Post by jandl100 on Mar 27, 2015 7:20:53 GMT
Though one over riding trait was totally obvious from the outset, the sound while grain free and 'beautiful' was totally devoid of an engaging musical sound, zero musical connection superb hifi but not connection to the music. A bit like listening to a high end MBL system beautiful, beautiful sounds amazing imaging, but a totally false environment created a high end manufacturers vision of what 'hifi' should be.(IMHO) Interesting experiences, Tony.
But if everything is right but the "musical connection" is missing, then maybe that is a false add-on created by lesser systems? I've been to some pretty boring live concerts where musical connection was essentially zero!
Not, of course, that I am affected by your comments on MBL systems I have only heard them at London hifi shows, but hearing them at those definitely made MBL my 'dream speaker' and I subsequently bought a fairly humble model from their range, which is probably all that my room would tolerate! My initial thought was to buy a used pair of the larger 101E, but I rethought after room considerations made it seem unsuitable. Coming up to 5 years now and I have never regretted the purchase. It's the nearest I have heard to the sound of real music in my (or anyone's) home, imo. I have no problem at all establishing a connection with the music!
We all have different expectations and preferences of what we want from our hifi systems.
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 27, 2015 15:33:08 GMT
Active is cheaper than passive - unless you include the amps !
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 15:39:17 GMT
Or unless Ivor T is setting the prices: I remember him wanting to charge more for active Isobariks because they were top of the range even though they coast less to make than passives! Unless that was a myth too
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 27, 2015 15:42:02 GMT
Can believe that. They are Professional after all
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 16:00:37 GMT
Hehe they are bloody GOOD and that ain't a myth! .........IMHO of course.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 19:00:22 GMT
At the end of the day a product is only worth what you can sell it for. Long term companies like Linn, Naim, Meridian that have cachet can sell at premium prices. But the company scrapheap is piled high with short-lived audio companies that burned bright for a few years but eventually went bust.
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Post by Greg on Mar 27, 2015 21:12:47 GMT
At the end of the day a product is only worth what you can sell it for. Long term companies like Linn, Naim, Meridian that have cachet can sell at premium prices. But the company scrapheap is piled high with short-lived audio companies that burned bright for a few years but eventually went bust. And isn't that the shame of it all! So companies like Naim, Linn and Meridian can continue in business selling sub standard products to the largely ignorant consumer at highly inflated prices using their falsely applied psych-acoustic demonstrations whilst the so called short lived companies who do actually offer good sound per pound value end up on the scrap heap. Outrageous!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 7:59:44 GMT
At the end of the day a product is only worth what you can sell it for. Long term companies like Linn, Naim, Meridian that have cachet can sell at premium prices. But the company scrapheap is piled high with short-lived audio companies that burned bright for a few years but eventually went bust. And isn't that the shame of it all! So companies like Naim, Linn and Meridian can continue in business selling sub standard products to the largely ignorant consumer at highly inflated prices using their falsely applied psych-acoustic demonstrations whilst the so called short lived companies who do actually offer good sound per pound value end up on the scrap heap. Outrageous! I think the problem with the companies I mentioned is that they have lost their way a bit. Once was the time that the audio enthusiast of moderate means in the '70s and '80s could aspire to and own products from these companies. As a lad in 1972 I got a Saturday job at Windows in Newcastle, selling hifi gear and televisions. Ivor Tieffenbrun used to come in touting the LP12 - and demonstrating that it gave better sound than anything on display. And it was eminently affordable, even to me on £2.67 per day (I bought a TD150/SME instead and still have it). But have you seen the price of the Linn LP12 now? The most highly specified one with arm, cartridge and phono stage is £17k. Just the turntable, with no base board, sub-chassis, armboard or power supply (so basically the motor, belt and turntable) is £1700. Meridian's only CD player is now £11k, and their most expensive speaker is £80k. Naim's products are expensive to start with, but then the bells and whistles, like additional external power supplies are truly outrageous (transformer etc plus two or three discrete linear regulators in a box) in price - around £1k, and some of them MUCH more - £3-4k. And you can add two of them to some products. The Ovator 800 speakers - £30k. Now I have heard the latest LP12, and it is truly superb - but do I have pockets deep enough to buy one? No. I'm a cheapskate - I bought a Garrard 401 and SME non-improved from the original owner, designed my own slate plinth and had that made at Abingdon Stone and Marble, and matched it with a Zu-Audio www.zuaudio.com/phono-cartridges version of the Denon DL103 (for which there is a waiting list). Total £1700. Home built balanced phono stage to Douglas Self's design, about £200. So about £2k all in.
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Post by John on Mar 28, 2015 8:51:07 GMT
Yes this is a similar route a lot of us have taken towards improving our systems
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