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Post by Slinger on Oct 12, 2018 20:47:03 GMT
I've just ordered an Amazon Dot, mostly just for fun. I've bought some "smart" plugs to go with it which I hope will end up controlling the two standard lamps and the table lamp in the living room, and a wall switch for the main lights. If that all works out then I might get a couple more wall switches, for the bedroom and the kitchen most probably.
Anyway, I digress, Amazon has an Amazon Music Unlimited plan, costing £3.99 p.m., tied to a single device. As the Dot will be sitting close to my Amp and will be powered from the same mains/USB tower that's powering my whole second system, so it seemed silly not to buy a 3.5mm to RCA lead to hook it up to my Primare amp. I really don't fancy £7.99 p.m. (the price of their standard individual plan) for a glorified MP3 player which streams mostly in the 224Kbps to 256Kbps range, but £3.99 is a possibility I'm considering.
What I'm asking, in my usual long-winded way, is what does it actually sound like? The bitrate is only part of the story, obviously, and some real-world experiences would be good. Does anyone listen to it regularly, and does it actually sound OK, or not? Also, as a Prime member, I already get the bog-standard Amazon Music as part of the package so is it worth upgrading to Unlimited?
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Post by MartinT on Oct 12, 2018 22:59:59 GMT
I can't answer your question directly, Paul, but I can say that Amazon Music files (mp3) sound pretty dire compared with almost any other source. Don't upgrade unless you're happy with the sound.
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Post by seanm on Oct 13, 2018 5:16:48 GMT
Slinger,
I am about 2 months ahead of you in terms of exploring the "just for fun" route... Bought cheap on prime day. Actually, I bought another for my mum back in Plymouth so that I can call her from cyprus easily. I also bought a rechargeable speaker which the dot fits into so it looks like the bigger model. One aim was to increase my exposure to new music, radio and podcasts, particularly while doing other things such as showering etc. This is working well. I have taken out a year long subscription to Amazon music. I am not in a position to comment on quality since it currently only going through this speaker.
I have a techie background, but had largely ignored voice recognition. I was also of the view that it brought nothing uniquely new to the party. However, I rather like it... it surprises you.... For example... the shopping list feature is really useful... you tend to notice that stuff is running out while cooking or in the shower.... no easy access to a pen... just shout at Alexa... list ends up on your phone. I find voice navigation of a hierarchical music collection really useful when I am doing something else like cooking. It is not perfect.... live vs acoustic vs original versions is currently an issue.
I have previously explored home automation in the UK (Tado and SMAPEE)... I will not be doing it here via Alexa at the moment due to travelling very light. However, there is the ability to hook up Alexa to volumio.... shout at Alexa, music comes out on Pi... obviously this requires coding etc. I plan to explore this during the winter.
I have only scratched the surface of what can be done... but I think it has real promise... ultimately, it might not be Alexa, but I think the concept has legs and is gaining traction. I am using Android Auto and "OK google" to play music in the car via my phone and bluetooth doo-hickey.
Happy to compare notes and share ideas
Cheers
Sean
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Post by jandl100 on Oct 13, 2018 6:45:27 GMT
I can't answer your question directly, Paul, but I can say that Amazon Music files (mp3) sound pretty dire compared with almost any other source. Don't upgrade unless you're happy with the sound. I agree - Amazon Music sounds truly dire compared to e.g. Spotify, whether low bitrate Spot or even better Premium. I was amazed how unpleasant it sounds.
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Post by zippy on Oct 13, 2018 8:26:57 GMT
I'd say it depends how you use Amazon Music. I find A.M. perfectly adequate for casual listening (which is the market I believe it's aimed at). What I tend to do is listen to an album on A.M. and if I like it, buy the CD. However, to me this only makes sense because I already have a Prime subscription, so A.M. costs me nothing.
I agree that if I wanted to actually pay money, I would not go for Music Unlimited but something like Qobuz which undoubtedly has better quality.
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Post by MikeMusic on Oct 13, 2018 10:02:12 GMT
When sampling Amazon I have rarely found poor sound quality, say 5-10% of the time. As I was checking out if I liked the music and maybe buy a CD I wasn't *listening* intently
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Post by seanm on Oct 13, 2018 11:18:25 GMT
Does anybody know how the streaming services create their digital catalogues? I assume it is not an intern out the back with a stack of CDs and a PC!
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Post by Slinger on Oct 13, 2018 12:21:45 GMT
Thanks for the replies, and for pretty much reinforcing what I'd imagined. Obviously, I'll give the free service I get via Prime a go before I think about shelling out, but it's good to know roughly what to expect. Having said that, it would probably only ever serve as "background music" so HQ is not a major consideration, just that it doesn't actually sound painfully bad.
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Post by Slinger on Oct 13, 2018 15:44:04 GMT
The Dot is set up, I have sound, and I have a floor lamp switching on and off via voice commands. The other two lamps can wait until tomorrow. Obviously, setup is only as good as the manufacturer's app and associated instructions but this is not something I'd like to have attempted were I not technically inclined. I even had to manually connect the Dot to the net rather than the automatic setup working for me.
Getting part-way through the socket setup and finding out that it can only be set up via the 2.4GHz band, and responds to bugger-all if you've got 5GHz switched on was a bit of a downer, and that's even with "Separate Bands" activated on the hub. Of course, the PC and the tablet I was using for setup were both connected over the 5GHz band so switching the 5Ghz band off meant I had to start from scratch, and then re-enable the 5GHz band after setup was complete.
As I say, not something I'd have fancied without being a bit tech savvy, but all's well that ends well, and at least I can sort the other two sockets out tomorrow forewarned.
"Alexa, play Creedence Clearwater Revival" and despite my moaning, it turns out I'm a "Fortunate Son and am now having a quick "Run Through The Jungle." If only it understood "Alexa, cook my dinner." though.
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Post by MartinT on Oct 13, 2018 17:07:38 GMT
"Alexa, iron my shirts" would be the best command of all.
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Post by Slinger on Oct 13, 2018 18:04:29 GMT
After an hour or so of listening to Creedence, Pink Floyd, a bit of Bach, Mahler, and some Classic FM via the Dot, Amazon is not even going to get £3.99 a month out of me I'm afraid. Flat, boring, uninspiring, one-dimensional, all of the above. Fine for background music but it'll drive you mad if you actually try to listen properly to something you like.
I may activate my free 60-day Premium offer at some stage just in case there's a rise in sound quality, but from what I've read it just gives you an even bigger choice of music you don't want to hear and better playlists. For instance, you can ask Alexa for "Prog Rock" on the free service, but all you'll get is told that "she" can't do that unless you'd like to upgrade to Premium.
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Post by MikeMusic on Oct 13, 2018 18:09:32 GMT
Thanks Paul That's saved a few people trying it out
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 18:12:37 GMT
I have tried Amazon vs. Spotify on my system upstairs, and I found that Spotify won by a significant margin in sound quality and available music/artists.
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Post by MikeMusic on Oct 13, 2018 18:22:32 GMT
Maybe Amazon think they can dish up poor stuff as most of the punters don't care. True music industry outlook !
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Post by Slinger on Oct 13, 2018 21:56:51 GMT
That's handy. I've just picked up a 7" Amazon Fire with Alexa for £15.00 on eBay.
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Post by seanm on Oct 14, 2018 8:46:01 GMT
Well done on the fire tablet... I suspect that you are finding the same as me... once you have Alexa, you kind of want/need one in each room 2-3 years ago, I picked up a 7" fire on black friday for £35... I only really used it for watching video, music and kindle while travelling. While my phone can do these things, I'm cautious not to flatten the phone battery when travelling. For the last year, in Northern Cyprus it acted as "a telly" in bed. This summer, I picked up the 8" HD fire for £50 on prime day. The 7" has been passed on to a friend as their first tablet. I have also added a gooseneck arm and bean bag tray thing to make bedtime viewing more comfortable. The latter seems the most practical. It seems that Amazon are releasing a charging dock for the 8" and 10" fires which turns them into something close to an "Amazon echo show" (The expensive one with the screen) www.amazon.com/All-New-Charging-Compatible-Generation-Tablet/dp/B07BNXZDJ3?th=1Cheers Sean
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Post by zippy on Oct 14, 2018 10:35:33 GMT
The Dot is set up, I have sound, and I have a floor lamp switching on and off via voice commands. The other two lamps can wait until tomorrow. Obviously, setup is only as good as the manufacturer's app and associated instructions but this is not something I'd like to have attempted were I not technically inclined. I even had to manually connect the Dot to the net rather than the automatic setup working for me. Getting part-way through the socket setup and finding out that it can only be set up via the 2.4GHz band, and responds to bugger-all if you've got 5GHz switched on was a bit of a downer, and that's even with "Separate Bands" activated on the hub. Of course, the PC and the tablet I was using for setup were both connected over the 5GHz band so switching the 5Ghz band off meant I had to start from scratch, and then re-enable the 5GHz band after setup was complete. As I say, not something I'd have fancied without being a bit tech savvy, but all's well that ends well, and at least I can sort the other two sockets out tomorrow forewarned. "Alexa, play Creedence Clearwater Revival" and despite my moaning, it turns out I'm a "Fortunate Son and am now having a quick "Run Through The Jungle." If only it understood "Alexa, cook my dinner." though. Given that we're all reasonably tech-fluent, and the majority of the public aren't, I do wonder how many of these gadgets are purchased, then given up on, and now lie unused in a cupboard, because it's too complicated to set them up. Even my reasonably technical wife cannot cope with my programmable remote control...
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Post by MartinT on Oct 14, 2018 11:10:30 GMT
I agree. I despair at the lack of tech savviness in young people. Ask them to check if their device has picked up an IP address and they ask "what's an IP address?" They use technology at a very shallow level with no understanding of the underlying tech.
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Post by Slinger on Oct 14, 2018 15:08:30 GMT
I agree. I despair at the lack of tech savviness in young people. Ask them to check if their device has picked up an IP address and they ask "what's an IP address?" They use technology at a very shallow level with no understanding of the underlying tech. Which, when queried on their lack of expertise often brings the age-old retort of "just because I drive a car I don't need to know how to change the oil," or something similar. Of course, you don't, but it does help if you know how to open the boot, and where the bloody petrol goes. I'm 64, 65 in a few months, and I'm still learning, and wanting to learn. Despite all of the moaning that comes from my direction solving problems brings a sense of achievement. I dread to think how low the bar is set for "them" to achieve that feeling.
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Post by MartinT on Oct 14, 2018 15:59:29 GMT
"just because I drive a car I don't need to know how to change the oil," ...to which my response would be "you shouldn't be driving if you don't know how to do that".
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