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Post by julesd68 on Apr 30, 2018 14:25:50 GMT
I know it's a rarity but the description didn't fill me with optimism for the condition - BOTH THE VINYL AND THE COVER ARE VERY NEAR MINT CONDITION. THE GATEFOLD AND SPINE PERFECT ,ALSO THE VINYL LOOKS MINT APART FROM THE CLOTH DUST I HAVE PUT ON WIPING OVER. So it's 'very' near mint and they've been wiping it with a cloth! I hear you but in my experience if the covers are as good a condition so old as that the Record will most likely be. You can march it back no probs if not.. I rarely buy vinyl on ebay nowadays and have more success generally with discogs. You get a much bigger spread of prices on discogs and can usually find better value. Of course there's still sometimes an issue with grading but I've managed to find a number of genuinely 'mint' lps there ...
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Post by dsjr on Apr 30, 2018 14:33:41 GMT
One first pressing that should be got if vinyl is the thing is PF's The Wall.. My first pressing bought on release from HMV Oxford St was a Mastering Lab cut on all four sides (TML clearly stamped on the run out areas). A couple of years later when I switched jobs, I bought a fresh copy for dem and two sides were TML still and the other's were anonymous 'EMI' generic cuts I think, these sides losing impact and punch when directly compared. Doug Sax's TML CD masters of PF albums were excellent too I remember.
In the 80's, it was better to buy US pressings of US artists as they generally sounded better (Steely Dan for example) and many international artists (I remember the likes of Robert Plant and Joe Cocker who both made superb music back then) had their first vinyls cut by Stirling and these could be superb. When Tracy Chapman became well known in the audio fraternity, her popular album had US cut? metalwork sent over the pressing plants to minimise losses in local cuts from copies of the master recordings.
I'm going off on one again, sorry! Just trying to share some experiences from the times when some classic albums first came out. Interesting to me and to get back on topic, is how much more musical and 'spacious' the CD's of these albums I bought at the time sound today - same discs but radically different stereos and cabling...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 14:46:20 GMT
Dave forget about albums like The Wall with me its a good album but i find that albums Production & engineering are too much rendering it not as raw as the recordings back in the aerly 70s. You listen its like the whole sound picture has shrunk compared to a sound picture from an album ten years previous..
I did a topic years ago on another forum about over producing, Instrument advancements & Studio Engineering Over dubs & other Techniques kills the sound.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 16:03:24 GMT
Well, yes, I do understand Andre's stance on early release copies of older vinyl. Up to a point. My Vertigo copy of the debut Sabbath album (black background inside the gatefold) is a little tired but the surface noise is a tiny price to pay for the massive rich meaty sound. Well thats nice to know at least one person does not think im talking shit & secondly nice to see you admitted The 1st issue does have a big Meaty sound. That is the precise reason why Re-Issues are inferior & why Digital will never ever sound like that 1st issue. & that is an example of just one album. However when i refer to 1st issues being better sounding, im referring to late 60's/Early 70's albums. No way will i champion a 1st issue released going into the mid 70's & on because its basically down hill with all this at that point. I don't think you are talking shit. Just have to live with the reissue if the originals are £500 for a VG copy. I know first pressings from the 70s have a certain sound that is hard to replicate due to different cutting equipment whether digitally remastered or not. You certainly can't reproduce the feel of the original package. Actually one exception is The Faces Warner box set - all analogue and realistic reproductions of the covers - nice job and fairly inexpensive.
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Post by dsjr on Apr 30, 2018 17:02:38 GMT
Dave forget about albums like The Wall with me its a good album but i find that albums Production & engineering are too much rendering it not as raw as the recordings back in the aerly 70s. You listen its like the whole sound picture has shrunk compared to a sound picture from an album ten years previous.. I did a topic years ago on another forum about over producing, Instrument advancements & Studio Engineering Over dubs & other Techniques kills the sound. Ok.
Staying with PF. meddle from 1970 remains an old favourite and good as the original vinyl was, I much prefer to hear 'Echoes' on CD - and my CD is the first issue too... Trilogy by ELP (I know you know that one ) is another where the lack of vinyl noises is a huge benefit and my main CD of this is the original Barry Diament one (he effed up on BSS but that was eventually put right a few years later with the Victory Records issue).
To me, the later 1970's was an odd time for multi-track recording and so many records to me sound muted. I could blame the screaming Tannoy and JBL monitors often used but I suspect this wasn't the problem. Like I said earlier, I'm constantly amazed how much better (at domestic volume levels) my general sound 'clarity' is now, especially over headphones, where I suspect nasties would be painfully obvious. My computer via Foobar doesn't mind playing FLACs or better MP3's either, although many of my MP3 downloads have the response of a lower cost cassette deck or FM radio, with next to nothing going on over 15kHz, which matters not to my ears now in any case.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 17:52:46 GMT
'Meddle' sounds good, that good big sound disappeared with 'Wish You Were Here' no where near a bigger picture as the previous 'Dark Side Of The Moon' imho.. The first three ELP studio albums were Eddie Offord the masterful engineer he was. As you point out 'BSS' sounded horrid in comparison, See the pattern emerging around 1973.
There is many reasons within Hi-Fi, Records & Music why i stay well behind 1973
My user name is a puzzle really because i dont like 'BSS'
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Post by MartinT on Apr 30, 2018 18:37:53 GMT
I love BSS but the performances are better on the triple live album.
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Post by The Brookmeister on Apr 30, 2018 19:48:50 GMT
A modern system will have..............
Turntable ( or 12 as in my case)) CD or SACD or other disc spinner Streamer or Music Server Headphone system Maybe some other kit for nostalgia like tape decks or R2R
Part of the fun and enjoyment of this hobby is the ability to try all forms of delivering music, the fun police will always try to hijack threads/forums where people actually seem to be enjoying themselves, well that's a novelty isn't it!
Personally I think digital is much closer to analogue now in sound quality terms, not in convenience terms though. While I am waiting for my new turntable to be finished I have been listening to SACD's for about 2 months, and they do sound bloody good I have to say.
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Post by MartinT on May 1, 2018 11:56:19 GMT
Part of the fun and enjoyment of this hobby is the ability to try all forms of delivering music, the fun police will always try to hijack threads/forums where people actually seem to be enjoying themselves Well, amen to that!
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