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Post by dsjr on Dec 9, 2015 20:41:46 GMT
The 10X was NEVER as good as the original Ultimo 20A I remember. Yes, I was around at the time and directly compared them - no contest I'm afraid.
Jerry, you seem rather more aggressive on here than I remember you elsewhere. Don't worry. I shan't try to engage you again.
[edit] - I feel I should try to put my observations into context, as Jerry has traditionally brushed me away as a fly if I've disagreed with his findings in the past, but now chooses to put me on 'ignore.'
In the course of my retail work, I did loads of comparisons, many directly. I do sort of object to the whole 'pipe and slippers' accusation, but maybe my priorities are for a more 'lively' source, rather than a lively amp and speakers trying to add in what's lost further back, in my opinion of course... My comments on the 10XV are based on comparisons with the likes of the Ortofon 540, Sumiko BPS Evo III (anything but pipe-n-slippers this one :lol:) and another group of favourites from further up the Dynavector range, the 17D series and XX1 and descendants. The price history is also a factor, as the 10X used to cost the same as the evergreen DL110 and the two were broadly comparable. An old friend of mine has owned both and still uses a DL110, which he regards as better for the same reasons as me. So apologies for ruffling any feathers here, but my comments and observations are not based on random knee-jerks, but mostly on personal experiences after comparison. Speakers are a different matter, as the room they're used in is often the deal maker/breaker here.
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Post by gazjam on Dec 10, 2015 17:04:33 GMT
The vital question Is it black ? YES!
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Post by MikeMusic on Dec 11, 2015 9:40:44 GMT
The vital question Is it black ? YES! Well that's all we need to know
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Post by Stratmangler on Dec 11, 2015 19:49:27 GMT
Since moving to 300B SET amplification I'm pretty much there I think? Feel I've got the whole amp/speaker interaction thing done now, with that and good sources I think you've arrived. I heard your amp around at Colin's t'other week, and it sounded unbelievably good being fed signal from Colin's Nottingham Analogue TT/Hadcock arm/Denon DL103R, into Music First Audio stepups, Nick's phono stage, Music First Audio transformer tva, your 300B power amp, and finally Colin's Norje loudspeakers. That amp of yours copes admirably well with the Norje speakers. Colin's 300B amps run out of steam, yours does not to the same degree. I had one of those rare moments when I got home of feeling that my setup sounded a bit broken, and that does not happen very often. It only lasted for about half an hour (the last time it happened it took me about a week to get over it), but it happened nonetheless. I take it as a sign that my lowly setup has improved over time
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Post by gazjam on Dec 12, 2015 17:41:15 GMT
Since moving to 300B SET amplification I'm pretty much there I think? Feel I've got the whole amp/speaker interaction thing done now, with that and good sources I think you've arrived. I heard your amp around at Colin's t'other week, and it sounded unbelievably good being fed signal from Colin's Nottingham Analogue TT/Hadcock arm/Denon DL103R, into Music First Audio stepups, Nick's phono stage, Music First Audio transformer tva, your 300B power amp, and finally Colin's Norje loudspeakers. That amp of yours copes admirably well with the Norje speakers. Colin's 300B amps run out of steam, yours does not to the same degree. I had one of those rare moments when I got home of feeling that my setup sounded a bit broken, and that does not happen very often. It only lasted for about half an hour (the last time it happened it took me about a week to get over it), but it happened nonetheless. I take it as a sign that my lowly setup has improved over time Thats very interesting Chris about the Norje speakers? As they are a bit less efficient than the Eddie's I had thought (and think you did too?) that the amp may struggle with those speakers. Maybe the attention Nick paid to regulating power supply in the amp has gave it a bit extra oomph? Good to know theres some reserve in the tank when it comes to different speakers, though the Edingdales are going nowhere. Its a good amp for sure, its starting to open up a bit now with some time on it...nice. Still wanders all over the place every few days or so, so a fair chunk of time still needed on the big amorphous trannies I think. Half an hour, not too bad.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 20:43:24 GMT
See that '10x5' [Low Compliance] in that SME 'III'[Low Mass] That is not suppose to work as a combination
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Post by Stratmangler on Dec 12, 2015 22:52:07 GMT
Thats very interesting Chris about the Norje speakers? As they are a bit less efficient than the Eddie's I had thought (and think you did too?) that the amp may struggle with those speakers. Maybe the attention Nick paid to regulating power supply in the amp has gave it a bit extra oomph? Good to know theres some reserve in the tank when it comes to different speakers, though the Edingdales are going nowhere. Its a good amp for sure, its starting to open up a bit now with some time on it...nice. Still wanders all over the place every few days or so, so a fair chunk of time still needed on the big amorphous trannies I think. Half an hour, not too bad. I don't know about the Norje speakers being less efficient, but as a load they're less benign than the Edingdales (dB/watt/metre is not the only consideration). I know that the regulation of the amp will have be having a serious influence on things, and it copes admirably in less hostile conditions than Nebo provided (low mains voltage notwithstanding).
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Post by MartinT on Dec 13, 2015 21:01:15 GMT
See that '10x5' [Low Compliance] in that SME 'III'[Low Mass] That is not suppose to work as a combination I ran both an Ultimo and later a Denon DL-160 very successfully in an SME III arm. That arm was a little soft but underrated.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 22:13:36 GMT
Ive often said to people do not do everything by the book. Ive ran a 'DL160' in my low mass SME 3009 [fixed headshell] with absolutely no problems what so ever.
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