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Post by jandl100 on Dec 3, 2015 0:08:08 GMT
I've heard dem rooms that were too large - the music got swamped by room echoes.
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Post by MikeMusic on Dec 3, 2015 8:56:16 GMT
I've heard dem rooms that were too large - the music got swamped by room echoes. I assume a very big room would need bigger (able to go loud !) speakers at least |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 9:26:54 GMT
Different demands on speakers too, not just in terms of boundary walls, but also listening distance. A speaker can really transform (for good or bad) when used at a different distance from the listener.
Mind you, Isobariks are wonderful in big and small rooms, IME at least.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 9:37:25 GMT
Those images were of our previous base in Gloucestershire they show the main demonstration room, they were three others as well to cover all sizes of systems.
Normally they would have been Grand Utopia's in there, just the Meastro' s for that photo shoot.
We are hoping that we can start our custom build for a new premesis in the new year which will be around 3000 square feet for the workshop/offices/ and listening room
Back to that old chestnut room speaker interface
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Post by MartinT on Dec 3, 2015 11:15:02 GMT
I have my room pretty heavily treated and I like it that way - probably more dead than most, and the flutter echo has reduced from terrible to non-existent.
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Post by dsjr on Dec 3, 2015 14:41:00 GMT
Different demands on speakers too, not just in terms of boundary walls, but also listening distance. A speaker can really transform (for good or bad) when used at a different distance from the listener. Mind you, Isobariks are wonderful in big and small rooms, IME at least. I used my Isobariks in a tiny room where they were more like headphones than speakers. I have to say though, that to maximise what little driver integration there was (the KEF B110 mid driver was awful for this, worse than many metal cone drivers and was bodged to work in the LS3/5A), you really needed around 3 to 3m distance from them, even in active mode.
My Rogers LS5/8's have sounded like totally different speakers in the three rooms I've heard them in. Very odd...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 16:12:20 GMT
I move house quite a bit and it's uncanny how a new room can change the sound of a speaker. Kans were always unpredictable in this respect. Anywhere from captivating to "decapitating" lol
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Post by jazzbones on Dec 3, 2015 16:16:09 GMT
I have my room pretty heavily treated and I like it that way - probably more dead than most, and the flutter echo has reduced from terrible to non-existent.
As for myself, when I downgraded house and space I bade a sorryfull farewell to space and now my kit'n'kaboodle has to share L shaped lounge sitting room space with the usual furniture, telly, potted plants, dog and wife... the dog and wife leave this room during my listening sessions as my musical tastes aren't theirs and no amount of education will change the situation.
If folks were able to build, or have built for them, or move to a new house where accommodation of a listening room is required, what size dedicated listening would they go for? |
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Post by jazzbones on Dec 3, 2015 16:21:27 GMT
Different demands on speakers too, not just in terms of boundary walls, but also listening distance. A speaker can really transform (for good or bad) when used at a different distance from the listener. Mind you, Isobariks are wonderful in big and small rooms, IME at least. I used my Isobariks in a tiny room where they were more like headphones than speakers. I have to say though, that to maximise what little driver integration there was (the KEF B110 mid driver was awful for this, worse than many metal cone drivers and was bodged to work in the LS3/5A), you really needed around 3 to 3m distance from them, even in active mode.
My Rogers LS5/8's have sounded like totally different speakers in the three rooms I've heard them in. Very odd...
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Post by dsjr on Dec 3, 2015 17:44:32 GMT
I wish I could have gone active with them, with bolt-up 250's as our friend Richard did. Now that system from 1978 (no fancy wires, just old NAICs and twisted RS 50 strand speaker cables), were the best 'briks I've EVER heard and on Radio 3 as well as LP12/Grace/Asak T. As soon as the Ittok went in, the bass went wrong and never really recovered. He got rid of this system in the mid 80's and went passive with Linn amps if you remember. I'll leave the rest to your imagination! he's now gone all out for a D'Agostino amp and big Martin Logans, but it's the tri-amped old chipboard Brik system I remember with most fondness.
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Post by MartinT on Dec 3, 2015 17:51:41 GMT
Martin, most of us are acquainted with your listening room, at least the aspect that would greet the listener when in your chair from pictures. What we are not aware of is the actual size of room which must have an influence on musical outcome? For example, the ubiquitous Kosher Kenny Kessler's room is 12ft x 18ft, he being American goes by Imperial measurements. What this leads up to is what is the common measurement to most British homes excluding my lord's country pile? You use bigger bugger Ushers so these must have been introduced because your room can take 'em? Hi Ron, it's a good and very relevant question. My listening room is 5.4 x 4.2m (17' 9" x 13' 11" in old money), so similar to Kessler's room. It's not big enough for the Usher Be-20s really, but I ordered them with a view to liking the Be-10 and knowing that one day I would move to a house with a larger room, once my son flew the coop. So I positioned them carefully, firing down the short length with my listening position being against the opposite wall, and room treated it to a level of deadness that works really well with the exception of the fundamental resonance where the bass can be overpowering. I then treated the latter by stuffing the ports such that the speakers behave really rather well. It's not a perfect room but the sound is superb, considering. The lesson is that it's simplistic to think that large speakers need a huge room, but you need to be prepared to treat it acoustically. My son left long ago and my partner Ruth and I are planning on finding a home together, so I fully expect to have at least the same size room again and hopefully larger. We agreed that I will not share my listening room with any other function and she will have final say in pretty much every aspect of the rest of the house. Seems a good deal to me and will keep us both happy! |
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Post by John on Dec 3, 2015 18:11:26 GMT
I have a similar deal when we build our home near Chocolate Hills
With regards to room treatment I did at one stage make some DIY bass traps but I lost impact so quickly got rid of them
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Post by julesd68 on Dec 3, 2015 18:44:49 GMT
Martin, most of us are acquainted with your listening room, at least the aspect that would greet the listener when in your chair from pictures. What we are not aware of is the actual size of room which must have an influence on musical outcome? For example, the ubiquitous Kosher Kenny Kessler's room is 12ft x 18ft, he being American goes by Imperial measurements. What this leads up to is what is the common measurement to most British homes excluding my lord's country pile? You use bigger bugger Ushers so these must have been introduced because your room can take 'em? My son left long ago and my partner Ruth and I are planning on finding a home together, so I fully expect to have at least the same size room again and hopefully larger. We agreed that I will not share my listening room with any other function and she will have final say in pretty much every aspect of the rest of the house. Seems a good deal to me and will keep us both happy! I could be wrong Martin, but I think your Ushers would benefit from a bigger room - they could certainly handle it! |
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Post by julesd68 on Dec 3, 2015 18:47:48 GMT
Component wise my system will stay exactly the same in 2016.
The most I can hope for is a new cart, which will most likely be the Dyna 10x5. The only other thing I want to do is finalise a bit of tube rolling in my phono. And, er, might mess around with some mains cables LOL.
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Post by dsjr on Dec 3, 2015 19:55:42 GMT
Don't forget a 2M Bronze;) Thirty years ago, both the DL110 and 10X IV cost around £60 each, the same as a K9. The 10X has only had a top plate alteration to make it a 'V' and it was costing £250 when this happened. The DL110 was still around £70 back then and only more than doubled in price several years ago under the pretence of currency changes...
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Post by MartinT on Dec 3, 2015 22:37:02 GMT
I could be wrong Martin, but I think your Ushers would benefit from a bigger room - they could certainly handle it! You're not wrong, Jules, and if I can bag a bigger listening room in the next house then I know they will breath a little better. |
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Post by Tim on Dec 4, 2015 10:45:26 GMT
Reminds me, I shall need yet more IKEA Benno tower racks soon. Got two left here going gratis if you want them Martin? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 13:28:39 GMT
Having been in KK listening room I would say once you take the space occupied by significant amounts of vinyl and other equipment I was say his real world listening space is somewhat less.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 14:10:11 GMT
Mine will be the same as it looked like in 1983
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Post by MartinT on Dec 4, 2015 14:58:51 GMT
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