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Post by MartinT on Dec 9, 2014 14:36:41 GMT
Here's a fun article written by John DARko on Gender Issues in the Hi-Fi World. Why are there apparently so few female audio enthusiasts?
Another one from TONEAudio on the hackneyed old issue of Wife Acceptance Factor. Why do men say things like "my wife will never allow them into the room" and do women really say those things, or is there some other psychology at work?
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Post by ChrisB on Dec 9, 2014 14:40:29 GMT
I thought this was going to be a thread about plug/socket incompatibility!
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Post by MikeMusic on Dec 9, 2014 15:25:10 GMT
Some of my best friends are, you know, that other sort of type
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Post by MartinT on Dec 9, 2014 15:29:46 GMT
You mean like a female plug or male socket?
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Post by John on Dec 9, 2014 16:51:01 GMT
Its a interesting debate and one that often leads into stereotypes. Looking back at my past most of my girlfriends were as much into music as me, most of them played a instrument including Guitar, piano and drums. We would often talk about bands and go to concerts. I only went out with 1 person who had a decent system (at the time a lot better than mine but she had a lot more disposable income then me back then and I was just into gigs and buying music). I also had friends who asked my thoughts and to help them purchase a decent system as well as helping them to learn to play guitar. I wonder about people's expectations when buying gear and having a belief before actually checking out the reality. I accept some of my passions/interests I can share and some will be different. One of the real joys for me is sharing music in whatever way I can from going to a gig, listening to a album together or jamming.
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Post by MartinT on Dec 9, 2014 17:17:01 GMT
I have had several girlfriends, and my first wife, who were into music. However, they didn't really take much interest in reproducing it well at home, although they enjoyed listening to my system. I have never really learned why.
I was listening to a lecture by JoAnn Deak (a remarkably compelling public speaker) at our school and she told us about the difference between male and female auditory processing, whereby females use both sides of the frontal brain but males use primarily the left hemisphere. I had the chance to chat with her over lunch and I asked her if that meant that males and females hear music in a fundamentally different way. She replied "we don't really know" (of course!) but added that it was highly likely, because we process our auditory inputs in a different way, that we do hear music differently.
Excellent lecture (similar to the one I attended) talking about the brain in general:
The video footage at 9:40 showing gender difference in babies (hardwired programming) I found absolutely gobsmacking.
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Post by John on Dec 9, 2014 17:59:30 GMT
Found the idea of gender spectrum fascinating and developing problem solving skills Will comment more latter
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 18:36:28 GMT
My own experience has been that women hardly ever comment on sound quality or even appear to notice that one system sounds better/different to another. They always comment that it's too loud though! I've pointed out many times that you are not meant to be able to talk over it as you are supposed to be listening to the music. They don't see it that way... As far as WAF goes well I've never been willing to negotiate on that one!
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Post by John on Dec 9, 2014 18:46:08 GMT
Really interesting about Crucible events and the importance of ensuring we build on developing empathy and hitting the growth areas at the right times. Fascinating Martin how much of this knowledge is brought into teaching these days and considered in the expectations of learning
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Post by MartinT on Dec 9, 2014 19:38:14 GMT
Martin how much of this knowledge is brought into teaching these days and considered in the expectations of learning A lot. Deak's lecture was compulsory attendance for all our teachers and they learned a lot from it. Certainly acknowledging that mixing different learning styles and no longer believing that any person has only one learning style is key. So mixing and stimulating the auditory, visual and kinaesthetic methods throughout the lesson is de riguer. As is differentiation and stretching the gifted and talented. It's a tall order but you'll hear those buzzwords used all over education. We've even got the pupils saying "can't listen to music while learning", "I'm focussing on what I'm bad at" and "I'm stretching my neurons" like a jokey patter around school.
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Post by John on Dec 9, 2014 20:01:23 GMT
That is good to hear I found it interesting that she suggests one of the reasons why a lot of youth in modern society are not developing the empathic side is that they having limited opportunities to engage this way so becoming more detached
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Post by MartinT on Dec 9, 2014 20:14:27 GMT
Also the lack of social skills resulting from too much social media, texting and games rather than actually talking to each other.
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Post by Tim on Dec 9, 2014 22:51:13 GMT
Did you see the BBC documentary recently about how males and females process everything, not just music? We really are wired differently and they showed this extremely well with coloured brain wave patterns, with ours going mainly from front to rear and females going across the lobes. Made perfect sense and explained a lot of the male compulsive obsessive behaviour tendencies and the focussed way a lot of men do things as opposed to multi-tasking female traits. Of course all lab tests are limited by the number of subjects tested, which wasn't many, but the results were interesting and backed up popular opinion. I think the girls have it right, we are just freaks!
I agree with your teaching methodology too Martin, more than one teaching/learning style is key. I used to instruct and a buzzword was 'the more ways you teach, the more people you reach' So auditory, visual and kinaesthetic methodology was drummed into us on our training courses. I got commended for my visual aids, but was a bit of a naughty boy as at the time I was seeing an art student and she prepared nearly all the visual artwork for me. Nobody ever knew they weren't mine and lot's of folk stole them from me later on!
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Post by Stratmangler on Dec 9, 2014 23:16:01 GMT
Multi tasking! Isn't that the phrase lots of women use to describe their "special ability" to do lots of things simultaneously, when in reality not one of those things actually gets done properly?
I'll get me coat .....
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Post by canetoad on Dec 10, 2014 0:08:56 GMT
I thought the problem was me...
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Post by Stratmangler on Dec 10, 2014 0:14:14 GMT
I thought the problem was me... That's what they want you to think
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Post by jammy on Dec 10, 2014 3:24:23 GMT
They cant Multi Task everything. I once asked Shona to pour me a Beer whilst she darned my sock's, and she simply could not or would not do it.... Strange.!!!
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Post by MartinT on Dec 10, 2014 7:11:07 GMT
Did you see the BBC documentary recently about how males and females process everything, not just music? I missed that, Tim. Was it a Horizon? I'll try and find it given some more clues.
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Post by MartinT on Dec 10, 2014 7:16:53 GMT
the focussed way a lot of men do things as opposed to multi-tasking female traits The thing is, we're well able to multi-task when we want to. If I'm cooking a meal, without thinking I use critical path analysis to ensure that EVERYTHING is ready at the same time, re-using pans etc. where I can so that I don't have the Savoy's washing up at the end of it.
When I'm focussed and single-tasking, my response to criticism is that I CHOOSE to be that way for a while. If I'm listening to music or watching a film I choose to ignore any distractions, including conversation. I zone out everything around me and then get criticised for not listening when in fact it's quite deliberate!
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Post by Tim on Dec 10, 2014 8:51:21 GMT
I missed that, Tim. Was it a Horizon? I'll try and find it given some more clues. I can't remember if it was a Horizon, it was however presented by Dr Michael Mosley and Professor Alice Roberts, who I think are both great broadcasters. I believe it was called something like 'Is your brain Male or Female'. Confirmed my views on the subject anyway, really interesting documentary and it's no wonder women avoid such things as Hi-Fi, with some of the comments made on forums!
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