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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 9:47:59 GMT
If someone can explain any scientific reason why fancy cable improves the delivery of 240v AC I would go out and buy a stack. The only relatively cheap one I tried made a small difference on one component and none on others. I put it down to it's construction acting as a filter where built in power rectification was less than totally adequate. So nothing that mains regen or BMU should be doing if required due to bad mains. It could be Martin your mains are so polluted that everything added of this nature is of benefit to you. The other factor is I don't think any effect like interconnects is necessarily price related and the more exotic offerings are in fact a major rip off. Also a change in sound could be a change rather than an improvement. As Tim points out you could have several weeks on a luxury cruise for the price of some of these or just buy a stack of LPs.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 20, 2016 10:44:54 GMT
Explain it? There are many theories, including the filtering of noise and crap on the line without limiting current delivery. Whatever the mechanism, it's not possible to offer a cast iron scientific explanation right now.
However, good news! You need only listen to hear the effects for yourself.
I would rather have my cables than a luxury cruise, no joke. The enjoyment of music is important to me and my system has never sounded better. As to price linking to performance, I think many of us have helped to debunk that already.
A word about 'rip-off', and I've said it before: if you are of sound mind and there is no fraud involved, you CANNOT be ripped off. You make a value judgement and you pay money for goods. At the point of purchase, no-one coerced you into buying. Rip-off is a phrase that should hardly ever be used.
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Post by ChrisB on Feb 20, 2016 11:04:27 GMT
I would rather have almost anything than a luxury cruise. And I include anal warts in that!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 11:22:12 GMT
I'm not expressing a preference for luxury cruise but with limited resources I would rather spend cable money on records especially mains cable. There is no reason why a decent cable with quality plugs should not be inferior to those ultra expensive types unless you need some built in filtering which can be dealt with in other ways. Any perceived improvement is likely location and system dependent. Others think that the main problem is IEC plugs and a captive lead betters any aftermarket device. Are we trying to overcome poor connectivity elsewhere? Always willing to try the affordable but not 1m of wire that costs as much as my amps.
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Post by Tim on Feb 20, 2016 11:44:36 GMT
Also a change in sound could be a change rather than an improvement. Exactly and I stopped worrying about such minutiae ages ago. Will a barely discernable alteration to the sound change the meaning of the music, no. Will it change it's composition, no. Will it change the lyrics, no. Will it alter what the artist is trying to portray though the music, no. Will it heighten the emotional experience, most definitely not for me, quite the opposite in fact. The only loss for me if I entered into said tail chasing would be the hole in my wallet - total waste of money for me. I'm content to enjoy the music for what it is. I know those that get a kick out of such tinkering can't understand why I don't get it, but flip that around, as I feel exactly the same way. I don't listen to Hi-Fi anymore, I purely listen to music and I'm happy. If listening to cable's also makes you happy, then that's great too, we are all content. But trying to convince me that I'm missing something?, trust me, I'm really not  |
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 20, 2016 11:50:52 GMT
As you will have seen earlier I was highly sceptical that mains cables could make any difference. Could not see why it would and whatever technical reason there might be would not overcome what my ears told me. And if there was going to be any difference it could surely only be subtle ....... To my great surprise my ears said mains cables gave me more from the music. Some upgrades left me open mouthed. The other half with little idea of what was going always (blind testing) said she preferred the upgrade/s. If I was on a very restricted budget with only a handful of albums I'd build up the music first and keep an eye open for bargains - and opt for that fasting diet, doing without food to obtain the money  |
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 20, 2016 11:58:39 GMT
Also a change in sound could be a change rather than an improvement. Exactly and I stopped worrying about such minutiae ages ago. Will a barely discernable alteration to the sound change the meaning of the music, no. Will it change it's composition, no. Will it change the lyrics, no. Will it alter what the artist is trying to portray though the music, no. Will it heighten the emotional experience, most definitely not for me, quite the opposite in fact. The only loss for me if I entered into said tail chasing would be the hole in my wallet - total waste of money for me. I'm content to enjoy the music for what it is. I know those that get a kick out of such tinkering can't understand why I don't get it, but flip that around, as I feel exactly the same way. I don't listen to Hi-Fi anymore, I purely listen to music and I'm happy. If listening to cable's also makes you happy, then that's great too, we are all content. But trying to convince me that I'm missing something?, trust me, I'm really not I've always gone for the most I can get from the music. "barely discernable" does not cut it for me, no point in spending the money. Has to be a good uplift in SQ Lyrics become clearer and sometime words become discernable from mumbling before. Instruments come out and are heard from the jumble that was there before. More of what was intended gets to my ears Vocals become clearer. What was one voice becomes 2, 3 or more. Superb albums that have been made well become so much better. You would have to hear it to appreciate. I find tinkering boring. 1. Test as is 2. Test upgrade - any good ? If yes and worth the dough it stays. If no it goes. 'Tinkering' over. Let's play some music You are missing so much richness and detail |
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Post by Tim on Feb 20, 2016 16:03:34 GMT
You and Martin crack me up, so certain I'm missing out on something and just unable to accept that I know I'm not |
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Post by John on Feb 20, 2016 16:37:37 GMT
I think we all have different priorities. I have no doubt that both Tim and Mike enjoy listening to music. It so easy to get caught in cables make a difference to no they do not. Each person has to decide for themselves if it a route they want to take and then if it makes a difference. Its human nature that that going to be different.
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 20, 2016 16:47:16 GMT
Tim, if you have tried and your ears said not worth the money then fine.
I want as much detail as I can get from albums.
Upgrading my kit and peripherals has give me exactly that.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 20, 2016 21:14:05 GMT
If listening to cable's also makes you happy I don't know anyone who listens to cables? |
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Post by Tim on Feb 21, 2016 8:15:56 GMT
Haha, what are you doing then if you are not listening to the difference changing a cable makes, but listening to the attributes of that cable? If you are trying to identify a differing sound you are listening to the cable surely? Work away fellas if it makes you happy then sweet. I don't have the time.
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 21, 2016 8:32:36 GMT
5-10 minutes to compare.
The rest of time to have the improvement
Good use of time for me
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Post by MartinT on Feb 21, 2016 8:55:13 GMT
I listen to music, Tim. Always. As Mike said, I get more of the music now and it's wonderful.
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Post by Tim on Feb 21, 2016 18:50:16 GMT
I'll ask Mrs Mike about that one |
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Post by MartinT on Jun 14, 2016 5:35:56 GMT
So, about the TAD speakers, Mike. How are you getting on with them? Have you put the Montans back into position at all, for comparison?
Big decision ahead!
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Post by ChrisB on Jun 14, 2016 6:10:52 GMT
....and for those of us in the dark , (i.e. most of us), which TAD speakers?
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Post by MartinT on Jun 14, 2016 6:46:45 GMT
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Post by ChrisB on Jun 14, 2016 7:07:33 GMT
Ta
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Post by MikeMusic on Jun 14, 2016 7:38:07 GMT
90% that's them. All black of course |
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