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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 20, 2015 9:02:59 GMT
Well there was such a thing as a Linn Asak, but as for whether you owned one, well....that's what you're here for! Hoping someone will remember the classic LP12 / Ittok / xx set up I swapped it out over 30 years ago so not 100% certain
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 20, 2015 9:21:12 GMT
And now in the Quest for more music (via kit and tweaks)
My set up was LP12 on a Sound Org table. Everything else on Ladderax shelves
Tried a few of Peter Belt's ideas late 80s. Don't think any of them worked !
Compared to what we know now the supports were sub optimal as were the cables and interconnects.
I read mains cables could be improved so swapped out the supplied Naim and Linn cables and replaced with mains twin and earth Definite improvement in sound But almost certainly not legal - (so don't you do it !)
We moved late 80s. The sound in the new, bigger room was just not as good. Getting a sparky in to give me a dedicated ring for the hifi only with a bank of unswitched sockets was a definite improvement. LP12 still on the Sound Org table and other on Ladderax.
Still on the look out for extracting more music from the kit I discovered Mana. Went to see Paul in Bracknell to hear his ancient Linn Naim system performing staggeringly well with lots of Mana racks and sound bases
Decided to have a go and Damian from Mana kindly came over with a 4 shelf rack for LP12, Naim 32.5 and HiCap and the 2 Naim 135s to try out. Said he would take it away if I did not hear the difference as I wasn't 100% convinced. Test as was Then on the Mana rack. Surprisingly good and a sale was made
Working too many hours and days I decided in the 90s I would buy myself an Naim Aro, trading up from the Ittok. Kept the Karma Don't think I did a listening test. (With Linn and Naim being the best kit in the world why would you need to) <cough>
I still don't think the system sounded as good as it did before we moved. Something was 'off' Knowing a little about room treatment it was likely the vast glass windows on one side and sliding patio doors on the other causing that Much bigger room too
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 21, 2015 14:25:56 GMT
And that was that for mods until we moved in 2002
Much smaller room
Usual move, unpacked a fair bit of stuff, but had the hifi up and running quite soon. Sound seemed a bit off.
Eventually got the boxes out of the lounge and had a good listen. Except it wasn't a good listen at all. It was well off. If anything the boxes in the room helped the sound. With them gone it was worse.
Tried to work out what was going on. Moved things around, different types of music all sounded poor. Here I was with the best Linn Naim hifi system in the world (!) and it sounded like this
Was it the Isobariks overpowering the room ? That seemed favourite. Busy at work so I listened less anyway
I scratched my head for a very long time
Checked out the Mana rack more than once. Felt the windows and anything that might vibrate while playing at volume. Moved the kit around. Tried the Isos in a few different places
Could not get that sound better
A lucky coincidence in November 2005 ..... next time
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 23, 2015 15:37:31 GMT
So what happened after my system sounded horrid for so long ?
The silver lining to a cloud of home electrical problems.
All sorts going wrong so I called in my sparky Bob. So much to sort and he was on site 2-3 days, possibly more.
"Oh Bob while you're here, could you bung me some unswitched sockets for the hifi, tidy up a bit ?"
He did
Oh wondrous !
Hifi sounding like hifi after 3 and a half years ! (3 and a half years, can you feel my pain ?)
I was just delighted. The difference truly was "night and day" but there was more to come.
One of the reasons we had problems was that the earth was barely an earth. Likely one of the causes of the breakers tripping out so much. One strand only of multi strand cable left connecting to a rod that was in the ground as securely as if in an empty bucket.
*Another* jump in sound quality Fabulous
Those that know me banging on about mains, mains, mains and earths know part of the reason why.
If you are on a quest for more music and/or want to upgrade your kit
Leave the kit alone.
Start at the true beginning, the mains. Get a sparky in If you have switched sockets they have to go. If you use cheapo 4 or 6 way adapters they have to go. Get the earth checked If you can go for it have a dedicated radial for the hifi from the consumer unit.
More music is on it's way for the price of a budget piece of kit making all of the kit now and in the future abe to realise it's true potential.
Bear in mind, whatever your thoughts on Linn and Naim kit this was a serious hifi set up, completely shackled by cheapo 4 ways, a switched socket and a naff earth.
My hifi fire was not back on. I was back in the game
I had more music
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Post by John on Mar 23, 2015 15:44:38 GMT
I had a similar unexpected experience I had already had a separate mains in for my listening room, but when the wiring got upgraded including earth rebounding I got a total unexpected shock in SQ I no longer needed balanced mains
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 23, 2015 15:59:01 GMT
A few years ago I would have been very sceptical
What the hell has mains and earthing got to do with hifi ? Not much - I would have said
I would have been wrong - oh so very wrong
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Post by John on Mar 23, 2015 16:40:15 GMT
Was one of the best upgrades I made and wasn't even me than made it .....result
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 23, 2015 18:09:21 GMT
Bob the sparky was a bit puzzled As he's dead straight he didn't bump up the price for hifi consultancy
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Post by MartinT on Mar 25, 2015 6:39:08 GMT
If you are on a quest for more music and/or want to upgrade your kit Leave the kit alone. Start at the true beginning, the mains. Get a sparky in If you have switched sockets they have to go. If you use cheapo 4 or 6 way adapters they have to go. Get the earth checked If you can go for it have a dedicated radial for the hifi from the consumer unit. This should be framed and placed in the foyer of TAS Towers.
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 25, 2015 8:43:21 GMT
Crazy thing was I thought I knew all mains and I only got Bob to do it as he was already working on the faults we had.
The very poor earth was a big surprise both from the state of it and the difference it made to the sound. Likely dangerous too.
Mains work isn't "the thing to do", far more sexy to buy new kit, but mains can do way more than an awful lot of big kit upgrades
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Post by MikeMusic on Nov 10, 2015 13:35:58 GMT
So there was this bloke I knew on "CIX", a general forum. Went by the moniker of MartinT He ran the hifi conference. He went on about mains cable making a difference to the sound of hifi ! Obviously some sort of nutter even though he sounded normal on other subjects. Anyway he kept going on about it. So much so that after discovering what you could buy on Ebay cheap I thought I'd have a go. Sell them back if they didn't work, and like any normal person I assumed they would not work He mentioned Kimber so I trawled around for some. 3 came up together and I got them. Think they were Classics so entry level Testing time. Amazing - they made a difference to the sound. This is mad. Had the boss with me and she confirmed Swapped them around a few times as this still didn't make sense. Every time I put them in the sound quality improved. Well yes, mains cables make more music and hifi sound better. Who would have thought that then ..... What an odd world
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 14:10:15 GMT
Bet you wish you had kept that Fons deck. The platter on that Fons '30' was an engineering marvel
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 18, 2016 17:45:26 GMT
Starting with low end Russ Andrews / Kimber cables I had a go at the next one up. Buying as carefully as I could on Ebay and no rush.
Expecting the gains to be marginal, perhaps 80 20 rule.
No, the revealing continued I decided there had to be an end point. With a collection of Classic, High Current and Reference I started shopping for Russ Andrew Signature. Every piece of kit responded well to a better and better maims cable so I ended up, with Signatures in each. A nice sound !
Any more spent on mains cables than that had to be pointless - didn't it ........ ?
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Post by alaska on Feb 19, 2016 10:09:41 GMT
Think it was Howard Popeck running it. ........
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Post by Tim on Feb 19, 2016 10:36:01 GMT
Any more spent on mains cables than that had to be pointless - didn't it ........ ? Yes, buy more music and support live artists . . . mains cable placebo pish
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Post by zippy on Feb 19, 2016 10:40:25 GMT
"was a little bit like going into a church or some place of worship - of Linn and Naim gear"
One of the main reasons why I got out of using Linn - the dealers seem to make you feel uncomfortable, as if you're not worthy unless you can spend many thousands.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 19, 2016 12:47:17 GMT
Yes, buy more music and support live artists . . . mains cable placebo pish Buy some good mains cables, a little less music and hear all your music sound better. The following year, investment made, buy more music.
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 19, 2016 13:24:37 GMT
I'm doing both !
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Post by Tim on Feb 19, 2016 16:15:16 GMT
Buy some good mains cables, a little less music and hear all your music sound better. The following year, investment made, buy more music. It would be a complete waste of money for me Martin, really not worth it at all. If I had some spare cash I'd jump on a plane not buy a new kettle lead, if somebody gifted me some exotic cables they'd go on eBay and then I'd jump on a plane
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Post by MartinT on Feb 19, 2016 17:04:27 GMT
Your loss!
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