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Post by ChrisB on Nov 14, 2014 0:23:17 GMT
Of course, I fully understand that an impressive sounding, but specious statistic can be derived from crap research, but what does this (year and a half old) article say to you? 27% of 18 to 24 yr olds who buy vinyl don't own a turntable!!!!!! |
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Post by jammy on Nov 14, 2014 1:33:32 GMT
Well thats a bit strange indeed.....!!!
They are collecting them as an investment.
They dont have a TT but their mates or mum & dad has.
Vinyl's cool they may not own a TT but may impress the babes with a clutch of west life & take that albums.
Yoofs are usualy a bit thick or stoned (Some are Thick & Stoned) they may have mistook em for cds.
I give up......
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Post by MartinT on Nov 14, 2014 6:43:47 GMT
They are collecting them as an investment. Vinyl's cool they may not own a TT but may impress the babes with a clutch of west life & take that albums. I think Jammy may have hit the nail on the head here, although it's possible to make stats look any way you want with a bit of spin. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Nov 14, 2014 8:59:53 GMT
Too much of what we read can found wanting
If I had salt available I'd take a pinch.
Perhaps the kids are too old at 30+, but they listen to iPods and little else
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Post by Tim on Nov 14, 2014 9:49:56 GMT
It would be interesting to know how long that 27% still owned the records for after purchase? I lined up for a number of hours outside the worlds oldest record store (Spillers Records) this year for Record Store Day. The line and hour before opening was in the hundreds and a large proportion were youngsters and not just blokes. Judging from the number of albums that appeared on eBay the very same day in excess of 10 times their purchase price, suggests many of the people in this line were doing it purely for profit.  The line about an hour before opening now extended across the street and around the corner at the end, there are about another 100 people behind me and the shop when I took this shot.  Front of the queue Apparently the front of the queue had been there all night and these guys didn't look like typical hi-fi/music buffs to me, but who knows what a typical one is anyway - I'm guessing and I'm a cynic but I reckon a lot were eBay sellers? |
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Post by John on Nov 14, 2014 12:17:07 GMT
I was talking to guy at work and he was telling me he has has a few friends buying vinyl who do not have a TT it seems a lot of vinyl comes with a MP3 link and they use the records as art or to impress friends. It seems really strange to me but if it helps keeps vinyl alive then that is cool
I think you might be right Tim Very cynical approach towards music but guess that the worl we live in
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Post by native on Nov 14, 2014 16:10:16 GMT
I don’t think they’ll ever be a true revival unless the price of vinyl comes down by 25%.
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Post by MartinT on Nov 14, 2014 18:03:06 GMT
It's almost as bad as those idiots queuing for a new Apple product. Frankly, I'd go without the vinyl rather than queue for hours.
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Post by stanleyb on Nov 15, 2014 11:03:35 GMT
I started collecting audio compact discs before I owned a CD player. I also downloaded from Napster before I had a portable mp3 player.
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Post by Paul Barker on Nov 15, 2014 13:49:55 GMT
I had less money than all my school friends so when they had spent too much of their immoral amount of pocket money I bought their records off them second hand. I still have those records which remain the majority of my listening pleasure 40 years on.
Now I have got to the stage where the odd person gives me their vinyl "to look after" since I am the only idiot left who can allocate space to it. Most lives have gone minimalist these days. those few of us who allocate the required amount of space to a vinyl collection and the means to listen to it are a remnant.
Lets face it a micro SD can contain more music than is normal to own. Not to mention cloud.
Anyway one of my few pleasures is about once a week fire up the old Garrard and put a side of an LP on.
Does me.
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Post by MikeMusic on Nov 15, 2014 15:31:44 GMT
No one sold records when I was at school
We *kept* them
That was why 2nd hand records were such a wonderful thing later
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Post by MartinT on Nov 15, 2014 15:59:52 GMT
We certainly loaned them around at school. That's how I discovered wonders like Black Sabbath s/t and Hawkwind Space Ritual.
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Post by MikeMusic on Nov 15, 2014 16:05:06 GMT
Never did if I remember right.
One album loaned out to a certain friend, after we left school came back knackered. First and last time I think
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Post by MartinT on Nov 15, 2014 16:19:35 GMT
The worst were the ones I loaned to my sister! I think she used them as floor mats. My Rick Wakeman Myths and Legends of King Arthur is in a dreadful state although I did run it through my RCM three times and it is playable. She loved the album so I hate to think what she would have done to ones she didn't like!
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Post by MikeMusic on Nov 15, 2014 21:13:29 GMT
My brothers were too young to be interested.
Seeing what the next one down did to my old Dinky toys I doubt I could have trusted him with vinyl
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Post by earsandeyes on Nov 19, 2014 15:43:06 GMT
Whether people buy records to impress, as investment or to listen is not important for the fact that the business is growing. Question is what will be the effect of the volume and quality. The (re)production effort is prone to quality issues when higher outputs are required by the market. The pricing compared to the days that I bought my first records seem reasonable when I look to inflation. According to some recent (dutch) interview I read with a label owner. record albums (180 gr) should be priced retail-level, in the range of 20-30 euro's depending on single double, quality of sleeve, MP3/flac/Hi-Res download. The worst that could happen is what happened at the end of the previous record era: crappy records not worth to listen to. This happened already with Celia Bartoli Mission, beautiful on CD, crap on Vinyl. I do hope the best that the industry can cope with the balance between volume and quality. In the meantime I keep enjoying my old new, my second hand stock and new new records  Michiel |
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Post by MartinT on Nov 19, 2014 15:49:01 GMT
Yes, there are not many record presses left in the world so let's hope the production output maintains a high level of quality.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 16:46:13 GMT
I reckon many of the nouveau vinylistas have no interest in sound quality. This has been my experience anyway. Most do it 'cos it's "trendy" and "retro" and think the poor sound from their cheapo plastic turntables, with mistracking and clicks and pops is "authentic"!
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Post by MikeMusic on Nov 19, 2014 17:24:24 GMT
Hopefully leads them into dens of vice like The Audio Standard !
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Post by ChrisB on Nov 20, 2014 7:59:42 GMT
I was wondering what turntables these 18-24 yr olds are buying when they finally get round to it. There's an item on the Guardian website called "The 10 Best Record Players for £100 or Less" (Let's ignore for a moment that one of them is £110!!) Now, I can't be sure, but none of them look like they're worth 50 quid, never mind 100. Of course, they're feature rich and the actual sound quality that is available from these things is probably fairly low on the requirements of both manufacturer and customer, so good luck to them. However, if we look at the kosher hi-fi brands, the cheapest new deck I can find is a thing called a Pro-Ject Elemental. This doesn't have the feature count of the Guardian ones but is available for only £150 so I wonder just how much more sound quality the extra investment gets you?  |
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