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Post by MartinT on Nov 20, 2014 8:18:06 GMT
The Pro-Jects (like the Debut) are usually not bad, so I would expect the Elemental to trounce the sub-£100 'pretend' decks. They all look like utter shit.
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Post by MikeMusic on Nov 20, 2014 8:57:31 GMT
Could be a blinder for sound quality lurking in there. They can't have tested for longevity and lots of use
Like what PAULMCFADS said the article misses a major niche in the turntable market - you can find a great working used player that will stomp all over any of the above-listed TTs in quality terms in any decent secondhand store (or on the major online auction/listings sites).
What we need is for them to pop in here first
and DRYDEN COOPER is spot on with "Some people swear by vinyl but it died out"
Ah did it now
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Post by MartinT on Nov 20, 2014 9:57:54 GMT
Nothing like a well-researched article!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 16:01:14 GMT
Just looked at that article in The Independent.... FFS!!!!! It should be illegal to "manufacture" anything that shite!!
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Post by John on Nov 20, 2014 16:26:31 GMT
I tend to have a different view point. In my teens and early 20s I had a crap record player that served me well I was just into gigs and buying music. I just wanted a means to listen to the music I was discovering as much as possible, sound quality was not a criteria. I would of seen us lot as mad and probably all pipe and slippers
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Post by daytona600 on Nov 20, 2014 22:14:05 GMT
Vinyl Revival what vinyl revival 1/ when i bought my 1st deck Dual CS505 33years ago it cost £ 80 this would get a kicking from a £200 project these days , factor in inflation project production is about 12,000 turntables per month & this year then reached 750,000 total phono stages projects stand at munich this year dwarfed all comers by a vast margin with several dozen new products 2/ this year about 50% of my pre-orders are late but as much as 2years due to pressing plants choc a block with orders and if ist presses run out , 2nd presses are about 6-89months at present 3/ even mr chesky is flogging vinyl from this month worlds largest & oldest HD downloads company HD Tracks starting flogging vinyl and sacds Welcome to the vinyl world HDTracks! well they have been ripping sacds & upsampling redbooks for years and flogging them at very high prices for years to people that buy things that don,t exsist www.analogplanet.com/content/hdtracks-adds-vinyl-storeVinyl revival what vinyl revival
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Post by Slinger on Nov 20, 2014 22:58:28 GMT
The Pro-Jects (like the Debut) are usually not bad, so I would expect the Elemental to trounce the sub-£100 'pretend' decks. They all look like utter shit. They also do a USB model for directly ripping your vinyl to a computer, or something similar. Coupled with an on-board phono stage and a bog standard Ortofon cartridge it's probably pretty hard to beat at £219.00, if you're looking for a basic all-in-one solution that is. The downside? They don't come with a lid.
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Post by pleaf on Nov 22, 2014 17:07:23 GMT
I was wondering what turntables these 18-24 yr olds are buying when they finally get round to it. There's an item on the Guardian website called "The 10 Best Record Players for £100 or Less" (Let's ignore for a moment that one of them is £110!!) Now, I can't be sure, but none of them look like they're worth 50 quid, never mind 100. Of course, they're feature rich and the actual sound quality that is available from these things is probably fairly low on the requirements of both manufacturer and customer, so good luck to them. However, if we look at the kosher hi-fi brands, the cheapest new deck I can find is a thing called a Pro-Ject Elemental. This doesn't have the feature count of the Guardian ones but is available for only £150 so I wonder just how much more sound quality the extra investment gets you? I reckon they're not that bad for a plug 'n' play option, although if any of my friends asked my advice I'd tell them to buy a Rega. No hang on, I'd tell them to stick to digital. As for the original question as to why buy vinyl when you don't own a TT, I reckon it's mainly to do with the artwork which goes straight on the wall, and may also be representative of where young people are living these days - either in pokey rented rooms in shared accommodation or probably at home with mum and dad (until they get married well into their 30's). And dad probably has a cheap plastic TT hiding in the loft.
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Post by daytona600 on Nov 26, 2014 15:17:05 GMT
you could stick your downloads or cds on the wall
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Post by MartinT on Nov 26, 2014 18:13:41 GMT
Your image is broken, Scott.
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Post by ChrisB on Nov 27, 2014 15:54:08 GMT
There was an item on the BBC Radio 4 'Today' programme that made me wonder if the journalist had been reading this thread! Here's the replay page - scroll it forward to about 1'45"
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Post by stanleyb on Nov 27, 2014 17:04:53 GMT
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Post by daytona600 on Nov 27, 2014 17:36:03 GMT
Your image is broken, Scott fixed now martin see how this looks with CDs or Downloads
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Post by MartinT on Nov 27, 2014 17:41:28 GMT
There was an item on the BBC Radio 4 'Today' programme that made me wonder if the journalist had been reading this thread! Shall we get John Humphries to join TAS?
How sad to buy a record and stick it on the wall rather than listen to it!
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Post by stanleyb on Nov 27, 2014 17:51:52 GMT
Nothing wrong with that. Some people put them in boxes, others pile them on top of each other. To each his own method of storage. You can't do that with a itunes download.
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Post by MartinT on Nov 27, 2014 20:05:33 GMT
You can't do that with a itunes download. Agreed!
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Post by daytona600 on Nov 28, 2014 15:39:57 GMT
How sad to buy a record and stick it on the wall rather than listen to it! those are art vinyl play and display frames martin you push a button & the LP pops out to play
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Post by MartinT on Nov 28, 2014 16:46:45 GMT
Ah, I didn't know there were frames that can do that. So how do I find enough wall space for some 2,000 records?
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Post by pinkie on Nov 29, 2014 7:49:15 GMT
The good thing is, whatever the reason, it's now possible to add to your music collection with vinyl lps of mainstream artists you actually want to listen to, instead of only getting boot fair seconds or obscure artists bought to justify owning a turntable. James (Sovereign) last night got to listen to Adele on vinyl, and I think heard her like he never has before. It's fun playing lps, it's more tactile - less sterile. I think pretty much every lp I played, James sat down with the cover to read. It's not quite the same with a cd. And try reading the album cover on a download!
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Post by MartinT on Nov 29, 2014 12:12:31 GMT
Those are the reasons I like physical media. LP covers are often works of art. I guess I also like the ritual of getting a record ready on the deck, that short pause of anticipation of what's to come.
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