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Post by MartinT on Jul 16, 2020 9:29:28 GMT
My desktop BRIX is on 2004 and has shown no issues whatsoever, so I feel certain that it's only some drivers at fault and not the version of 10 itself, which has been remarkably stable.
This is a machine I have been using with work VPN, remote VMware console, SharePoint, constant Teams video calls, multiple O365 shared documents open, Adobe Photoshop and other stuff all day every day, so it's been pretty well 'road tested'.
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Post by Tim on Jul 16, 2020 10:11:50 GMT
Normally fine with new or newish hardware, but not everyone upgrades hardware that often. Can't remember which version it was, but an update really screwed a Dell Vostro laptop of mine and I had to roll back. It is an old machine though, I think about 12 years now! Ever since then I have always tested a new version before installing it, but I always wait these days as I have Pro, so have updates blocked until I want them.
That luxury, even on Pro has been taken away from the update page Advanced settings in Ver. 2004 which is annoying - still possible to stop it, but it shouldn't be that hard. Other than Windows bloatware that's my biggest issue with Microsoft, taking the choice away from the end user - really pisses me off actually, at least with Linux it's your choice when you update.
My media HTPC is still running on a stripped back 8.1 and I have no plans to change it anytime soon, other than to maybe go over to Linux, but that would mean buying a JRiver Linux licence, so that can wait for now.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 19, 2020 10:26:05 GMT
My old Dell Venue 11 Pro Tablet, that I use in the kitchen over breakfast, has just offered the update to 2004. It dates back to 2014.
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Post by Slinger on Jul 19, 2020 14:58:44 GMT
My PC's still not interested.
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Post by Tim on Jul 20, 2020 8:15:49 GMT
I have deferred feature updates for 365 days  and all other updates are paused until 23 August 2020. I'm in no rush, it can wait a few more weeks or more. |
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Post by Slinger on Jul 20, 2020 12:44:19 GMT
I figure that unless multiple people are reporting that an update is "bricking" their machines there's not much that update can do me that I can't recover from. (He says, tempting fate like an idiot.)
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Post by MartinT on Jul 20, 2020 12:46:31 GMT
It's been perfect on my BRIX and now also on my Dell tablet.
My Surface just got some more updates today, but 2004 is still not being offered.
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Post by Slinger on Jul 20, 2020 12:54:40 GMT
It's been perfect on my BRIX and now also on my Dell tablet. My Surface just got some more updates today, but 2004 is still not being offered. It's amusing in a way (well, it is for me, anyway) that the one machine actually made by Microsoft is the last to update itself. |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 20, 2020 13:21:47 GMT
Indeed and looking at it, most of the chipset is Intel. I can't find anything to tell me which particular driver is at fault, though.
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Post by Tim on Jul 20, 2020 13:39:23 GMT
Haha, this is funny - I appear to be the only one being offered 2004 right now, but I don't want it and am having to stop if from updating! As an aside, I just installed Linux Mint Ver: 20 "Ulyana" on my old Dell laptop this morning. First off I completely disassembled it, removed the heat-sink, cleaned and reapplied fresh thermal paste, cleaned out the fan and all ducts - my goodness over a decade of dust and gunk sure builds up. Put it all back together with a new SSD and installed Mint. It's given the old girl a new lease of life  |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 20, 2020 13:55:46 GMT
I did the same with Debian Linux on an old Toshiba laptop, Tim.
By the way, I already have 2004 running on two of my machines.
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Post by Tim on Jul 20, 2020 14:06:43 GMT
Mint 20 is very Windows 10 like, almost a clone or as close as Linux can get to Windows - but much faster which is great for old hardware.
I've only got 2004 on an Asus laptop at the moment, works fine on that and it's an old SSD so I'm not so concerned about the constant 'optimisation' issue. That might have been fixed now, not checked for a few days.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 20, 2020 16:42:38 GMT
I've just checked and 2004 correctly Trims when optimising an SSD. They've obviously fixed it.
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Post by Tim on Jul 31, 2020 16:41:51 GMT
Well the Win10 licence activation conundrum has me foxed. A couple of days ago I thought I'd upgrade the test build I mentioned earlier (the one that activated despite changing all the hardware except the CPU), from version 1511 to 1909. Exactly the same PC as the previous one where version 1511 automatically activated.
So same hardware, same O/S - Windows 10 Pro, the only thing that changed was the version upgrade from 1511 to 1909, but this time it has not activated and is asking for a licence key?
Very confusing indeed.
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Post by Slinger on Jul 31, 2020 19:37:00 GMT
I'd have thought it was obvious, Tim. It's bloody Micro$haft, innit?!
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Post by MartinT on Jul 31, 2020 21:50:04 GMT
When you consider that they gave people years to upgrade to W10 free of charge, not really.
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Post by Tim on Aug 1, 2020 10:05:51 GMT
When you consider that they gave people years to upgrade to W10 free of charge, not really. Still possible Martin, it's not something they advertise but they have never turned off the Win10 free upgrade facility. I have a totally new build I put together in the last few weeks with an MSI B450 board and Ryzen 5 CPU. This is running Windows 10 Pro (Ver:1909) which has been activated using a Windows 7 Pro licence key I purchased in 2010. I don't know if it works for the Home version as I only have Pro licences? So kudos to them for that in fairness, of course the cynic might say they are quite happy to have people using Win10 for free because of their enhanced telemetry so they can data mine user activity for profiling. I'd actually quite happily pay for a lean cut-down version of Win10 that was just a basic functional operating system, without any bloatware or telemetry. That might make for a very good media server. Possibly the upcoming Windows 10X can fill that gap if available for a home user? I'd like a Windows 10 Lite without having to do any work  Here's how you can still get a free Windows 10 upgrade |
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Post by MartinT on Aug 1, 2020 10:34:00 GMT
I've got Windows 10 S on this Dell tablet as it's more efficient and secure, and most of the telemetry is turned off.
I don't get paranoid about it, it's all aggregated for their use. Apple do it and Google does it. I disable the voluntary stuff and don't care about the rest. Life is too short and I have nothing to hide.
Good info about the W10 upgrade. There really is no excuse from those who haven't done it yet.
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Post by Tim on Aug 1, 2020 10:44:45 GMT
Good info about the W10 upgrade. There really is no excuse from those who haven't done it yet. Agreed and even with telemetry, Windows 10 is a vastly superior O/S to 7 or 8 |
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Post by Tim on Aug 2, 2020 9:11:12 GMT
I've just checked and 2004 correctly Trims when optimising an SSD. They've obviously fixed it. This is still not fixed Martin - it's not the Trim feature, its the defrag feature that's running automatically, unless you manually disable it. If anyone is wondering what we are on about who has an SSD (Solid State Drive), these drives differ from mechanical spinning platter drives, in that they do not need to be defragged regularly like a mechanical drive. Over time a mechanical hard drive will write data to the entire disc platter, so reading/writing this data can effect performance if the read/write head has to make multiple passes to different areas of the HDD to read a file, as the information can become fragmented. An SSD is solid state and does not suffer a performance hit due to fragmented data. However, the data cells do have a maximum read/write life, so moving data around unnecessarily, as in defragging the drive, can potentially reduce the life-cycle of an SSD. It's not necessary and should not be carried out. This is different to Trimming an SSD. If you're not sure what Trim is, this explains it SSD TRIM Version 2004 of Windows 10 unlike any version before has a bug whereby SSDs are being 'optimised' regularly, often daily or more when you restart a PC. This optimisation Trims the drive which is good, but it also defragments the drive, which is not if you have an SSD. There is a major update to Version 2004 available now which fixes many of the reported issues and there are a lot of them! It's being rolled out from Tuesday but you can get it now of you want. I personally still think's it's unwise to install a new version of Windows on a stable computer until all the bugs are ironed out, but each to their own This will walk you through the above information and show you how to get the patch early if you want? The issue regarding defragmenting SSDs appears to still not have been fixed, according to the above info. If you have 2004 and are concerned, you can manually stop it happening. |
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and all other updates are paused until 23 August 2020.
