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Post by stanleyb on Jan 24, 2015 20:13:37 GMT
The problem with chasing after more bits to decode is not just the size of the files. You also start picking up encoding errors and noise from the equipment used at the recording stage.
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Post by John on Jan 24, 2015 20:37:12 GMT
Yes I was at a system last weekend at it certainly had enough insight to start showing the recording and equipment errors
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Post by stanleyb on Jan 24, 2015 20:55:29 GMT
DACs like my own Bushmaster MKII have already reached that level of error reproduction on analogue tracks that were digitized. But I started experimenting with some of the low noise DAC chips like the 8740 etc, only to be confronted by the level of recording noise these low noise DAC chips can pick up. It distracts from the music if you have a detailed system and like to play music very loud. The noise at the beginning of many tracks is just too much in many cases for me.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 24, 2015 21:31:15 GMT
Listening to Tony Williams - Million Dollar legs LP today at some volume, I reckon I heard tape noise. Don't think it was record surface noise
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Post by MartinT on Jan 24, 2015 23:07:10 GMT
I hear tape noise on all manner of records and CDs. I don't find it distracts and would never sacrifice resolution for lower noise. Stan - have you tried deliberately adding digital dither in the decode chain to cover up low level digital nasties? Just wondered if it would help.
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Post by John on Jan 25, 2015 5:03:11 GMT
What I was hearing was even deeper into that mix. Yes the Caiman is capable of digging into the mix but I do not expect the Caiman to compete with a TAD reference DAC with a PC set up which is now taking on CD transports that cost a fortune
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Post by stanleyb on Jan 25, 2015 11:12:28 GMT
What I was hearing was even deeper into that mix. Yes the Caiman is capable of digging into the mix but I do not expect the Caiman to compete with a TAD reference DAC with a PC set up which is now taking on CD transports that cost a fortune I was referring to the BMII actually. I set the BM up to dig deep and aggressive in order to help to liven up the mainly less expensive systems that produce an otherwise flat and lifeless performance. The CaimanII is set up differently, with a focus on already excellent systems that can take advantage of the additional digital information that goes towards making a better sounding analogue reproduction. But my current research is taking me a bit further afield and away from my previous fixation on the DAC chip and its performance. Now that I have had my eye operations I am far less restricted in what my eyes can resolve on the visual display of my scope. And I am quickly coming to the conclusion that the really important area that has so often been overlooked by designers is the input receiver section of a DAC circuit. I designed and built two identical DACs, except for the fact that the input receivers are different. This is purely for testing purposes so that I can compare signals and noise between the two. I am in the early stages of experimenting, but I am already finding out a few things. One of them is that W8 is less noisy than W7, partly because of the running services. The more services are running, the more noise that is produced by the PC power supply, which then gets passed on to a DAC connected to the PC. I suppose we all could have guessed this already, but it was nice to see confirmation of this on a scope display.
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Post by MartinT on Jan 25, 2015 12:09:57 GMT
Great news that your eyes are sorted, Stan.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 13:31:49 GMT
Depends on how far you to go server 2012 r2 can be configured to run on very little services which is far superior to w8 if you have time and patience to pair it down to ultra Skelton mode
Again if you are using that PC to download your music and run other things the services will be higher
Personal unit runs between 18 and 22 services depending on which software player us running, power consumption is now very close to 15 watts when actually playing music the cores run at a maximum of 58C on a hot day
OS have stripped back all of the Microsoft OS's except the new one lol I still personally prefer W7 over the others despite R2 being able to really cut the through the bulk of the traditional windows shell framework
Possible the software I use works more effectively with W7 at the moment this may change in the not to distant future
The big bonus for this method is not using USB which is inherently noise especially when running USB 3 and having a restricted latency so you can bypass this method whilst also using more traditional methods of PCM data transfer therefore avoiding the issues of asynchronous data transfer coupled to giving a 5Vdc feed sat next to the audio data
All good fun though lol
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Post by MartinT on Jan 25, 2015 16:16:19 GMT
Tony, have you tried Server 2012 R2 console only (no GUI) for once you've completed development work?
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Post by MartinT on Feb 4, 2015 21:04:04 GMT
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Post by Tim on Feb 5, 2015 7:17:55 GMT
It will be very interesting to see how this develops, that could turn out to be a very affordable personal computer and may help Microsoft gain some ground back in the consumer product market, even though they still lead it in user numbers. They have become in my mind 'uncool' amongst a lot of the younger generation.
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Post by MartinT on Feb 5, 2015 12:54:15 GMT
That's been the case for some years now, Tim. £1000 or more for a Macbook should require a lot of justification but when I ask our students why they have one I just get the usual "because they're better", in other words they have no answer except their friends have one so they must have one too.
In all productivity parameters they fall way short of Windows and I've nearly always gone against crowd mentality so I will continue preferring my W8.1/W10 devices!
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Post by Tim on Feb 5, 2015 17:18:14 GMT
. . . I've nearly always gone against crowd mentality That's in inherent part of my personality, no idea why or where it comes from, but if everyone has something or tells me I have should have one 'cos its cool', I'll try my damnedest to go another way. Same with a lot of mainstream music, if everyone likes it I normally don't, even though I sometimes think I should, but I seem to have an inbuilt aversion to pop culture - some deep routed psychological problem there maybe, or just the simple fact that I like being an individual
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Post by MartinT on Feb 5, 2015 17:48:37 GMT
I usually respond with "The Sun is the UK's most popular newspaper, so it must be the best, right?"
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 6, 2015 8:20:58 GMT
Cortina - Cavalier always comes to mind.
When I discover good new music (to me) I am occasionally stunned by finding out the artist is popular - shock horror
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Post by John on Feb 6, 2015 13:01:05 GMT
It is rare I like anything that is popular!
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 6, 2015 14:03:17 GMT
Quite Puts me right off Then I remind myself I don't care !
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Post by Tim on Feb 9, 2015 1:01:49 GMT
I have to say the more I use Windows 10, the more I like it. If they do give this away free to 7, 8 & 8.1 users they could be on a winner. Windows 7 users are sure to like it and it means I can have 6 licences free!
Just popped an SSD into an i3 2.4GHz laptop tonight and installed W10 on there, which was OK with a mechanical HDD and W7, but W10 (like 8 before) really does seem to like SSDs and the laptop performance has improved all round. It flies on my desktop machine, but its no slouch on the laptop now either. So far on both the desktop and laptop I have found nothing which is incompatible. What about you Martin, have you discovered any conflicts yet?
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Post by MikeMusic on Feb 9, 2015 9:25:34 GMT
Can you get a virtual window in W10, like in W7 ? Where I run a DOS database
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