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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 31, 2024 8:40:50 GMT
Comparing how equipment sounds to how it measures Two different aspects, with overlap that can vary enormously (If you don't already know. A cow has 4 legs, a horse has 4 legs therefore a cow is a horse, and vice versa) Feel better now I've said that  |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 31, 2024 8:48:33 GMT
Keep taking the tablets, Mike (but I agree with you).
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Post by ajski2fly on Jul 31, 2024 8:57:39 GMT
Comparing how equipment sounds to how it measures Two different aspects, with overlap that can vary enormously (If you don't already know. A cow has 4 legs, a horse has 4 legs therefore a cow is a horse, and vice versa) Feel better now I've said that Perhaps you should consider writing a book on "The Evolution of HiFi Equipment' and how one offering spawned another and so on, I am sure you would find lots to write about. |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 31, 2024 9:00:02 GMT
The metaphysics of hi-fi listening.
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Post by julesd68 on Jul 31, 2024 9:30:50 GMT
There is a certain reassurance in having kit that both measures and sounds great.
The component that measured the best but sounded the worst in my system was easily the Topping Pre90. Fortunately it wasn't an expensive experiment as they were in demand at the time and it was easy to get my money back.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 31, 2024 9:46:55 GMT
Once upon a time I only had the hifi mags. That was how I bought kit. Measurements predominated. If it measured well it was obviously good 'Obvious' in the way that word is now used 'obvious to me with my opinion' Then I went to the next level, listening to kit at dealers. Measurements rarely mentioned especially in the toe tapping, PRAT days The real world shock came when I heard MartinT 's system. So far ahead of my Linn Naim system it depressed me |
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Post by mattspl on Jul 31, 2024 10:23:11 GMT
A Dog has 4 legs too.
I bet a lot of ASR members systems sound like a dog.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 31, 2024 10:28:09 GMT
As Dave Cawley of Sound HiFi said to me many years ago:
If it measures good and it sounds good, it is good.
If it measures good and it sounds bad, it is bad.
If it measures bad and it sounds good, it is good.
If it measures bad and it sounds bad, it is bad.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 31, 2024 10:32:18 GMT
So far ahead of my Linn Naim system it depressed me You ditched that crock and now have a really good sounding system. Job done, cow≠horse! |
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Post by Slinger on Jul 31, 2024 13:58:05 GMT
Mike, a horse is also my dining table, which has the requisite number of legs.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 31, 2024 14:16:57 GMT
Yes, but how does it sound? |
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Post by Slinger on Jul 31, 2024 14:21:08 GMT
Yes, but how does it sound? Confusingly, it meows, like a cat. |
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 31, 2024 14:41:33 GMT
Perhaps a cat is a horse.....
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Post by ajski2fly on Jul 31, 2024 14:45:52 GMT
Perhaps a cat is a horse..... Does a Rocking Horse count, or a MK plastic Cow? |
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 31, 2024 14:47:41 GMT
Perhaps a cat is a horse..... Does a Rocking Horse count, or a MK plastic Cow? How does it measure up ?! |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 31, 2024 15:08:40 GMT
Two by four.
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Post by ajski2fly on Jul 31, 2024 15:17:21 GMT
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 31, 2024 15:44:19 GMT
There is the other thing or three to consider
'The measurements' are based on a decision from, what 50 years ago ?
What has been added to 'the measurements' ?
If it sounds great but measures not so good something else needs measuring.
Might even be bleedin' obvious to a tech expert
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Post by julesd68 on Jul 31, 2024 16:43:28 GMT
Once upon a time I only had the hifi mags. That was how I bought kit. Measurements predominated. If it measured well it was obviously good 'Obvious' in the way that word is now used 'obvious to me with my opinion' Then I went to the next level, listening to kit at dealers. When I was a youngster I paid no attention to measurements but I did look at the hifi magazines a lot and developed some kind of shortlist of kit that appealed to me. I found that The Music Room in Manchester had most of this kit to audition! Such fond memories of that shop ... |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 31, 2024 17:57:54 GMT
It was Audio T and The Cornflake Shop for me. At Graham's, which many people recommended, I got nothing but arrogance and closed minds.
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