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Post by ChrisB on Oct 3, 2014 15:57:14 GMT
Well, I'd love to stop and chat but I'm afraid I'm a bit busy looking for some threaded bushes for my turntable (can't find the ones I need - not even gold plated ones).
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Post by AlanS on Oct 3, 2014 15:57:50 GMT
I would not even do the proverbial trial of exotic fuses to check what my ears tell me, instead of trusting my logic. My sense of physics and powerful expectation bias would make it hard to seriously consider.
If others enjoy a benefit fair do's but I think advocating them benefits from a caveat.
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Post by MartinT on Oct 3, 2014 17:20:53 GMT
I'm working with specifics, DQ. Specific fuses that I've used in my system. I cannot and will not make general commentary over precious metals and their applications in fuses because I don't know nearly enough about their manufacture and treatment.
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Post by MartinT on Oct 3, 2014 17:29:33 GMT
My sense of physics and powerful expectation bias would make it hard to seriously consider. There's the rub and it's a tricky problem to eliminate. I think it's excellent that you admit it up front.
Keep your distance, treat everything new that you try as neutrally as possible and be as prepared to reject as to accept. It also helps greatly to play music that you know well in a relaxed environment. Finally, try not to hear changes, just enjoy the piece again and see what happens. Sometimes it takes a while, sometimes it'll never happen.
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Post by Chris on Oct 3, 2014 19:30:07 GMT
Ok,two things here - MartinT - can I have one of yer AMR fuses out the bag you got to try please? And 2 - if he says yes PLEASE nobody break n and switch it to try and catch me out. Titus would tear you to pieces.
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Post by canetoad on Oct 4, 2014 0:28:35 GMT
If that's the case, then it then brings to mind the question as to why exactly you spend any time at all on such fora? But that's probably a subject for another thread. Please feel free to start it . i like a good arguement I can appreciate your desire to stick up for your friend mr T , but That is plain stupid !!!!!
refusing to believe in the general efficacy of precious metal fuses equates to hifi fora being useless .
there is much more to hifi fora that foo Horatio. Really! Does it require 5 exclamation marks to make your insulting point? But it's everybody else that has the problem isn't it DQ?
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Post by tony on Oct 4, 2014 15:26:57 GMT
In my experience everything that flows current makes a difference. I have phonosophie fuses in my mains set up....one feeding the balanced mains and one on each electrostatic speaker.I trust my ears to a point-years riding motorbikes don't help. My son of twenty and wife aren't hi fi hobbiest like myself but love music as I do-make changes and get a second opinion. I did it with fuses and both concluded that the fancy fuses made an improvement. I feel that getting the best infrastructure cable/mains wise lets you gets the most out of what you have without breaking the bank swapping major components. Most of my listening is off the grid on battery but taking control and making the most of what comes out of the wall with what you can change/improve is money well spent to enjoy yer tunes!!!
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Post by Sovereign on Oct 4, 2014 19:36:29 GMT
I generally try to have the least number of fuses in my system as possible. There are no fuses in my power cords as I use Neutrik power connectors one end and IEC connectors the other. I have taken the case fuse out of my Croft pre amp which improved the sound a little. My SECA class A power amp has five internal fuses , but there isn't any chance of me removing these as the amp is far to expensive for me to mess around with ;-)
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Post by MartinT on Oct 4, 2014 21:35:08 GMT
Thanks for your experiences, guys.
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Post by yomanze on Oct 5, 2014 12:31:36 GMT
Has anyone tried using the plain old glass "quick blow" fuses? Reason I ask is that LFD use these in their gear, as do Naim, and as you'll probably know these companies do select components based on listening tests. They look like these: www.analogueseduction.net/naim-audio-fuses/0-25[2].html and are around £1 each.
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Post by MartinT on Oct 5, 2014 16:33:40 GMT
and as you'll probably know these companies do select components based on listening tests. Those look like 20mm internal fuses, not plug fuses which are the subject of this thread.
As for selection by listening tests, no I don't think that's common knowledge or even, in the case of Naim, whether I believe it.
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Post by Chris on Oct 5, 2014 20:21:34 GMT
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Post by MartinT on Oct 5, 2014 21:23:46 GMT
Well, at that price they're probably just normal fuses coloured gold. Then again, give them a try...
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Post by danielquinn on Oct 6, 2014 15:43:02 GMT
Please feel free to start it . i like a good arguement I can appreciate your desire to stick up for your friend mr T , but That is plain stupid !!!!!
refusing to believe in the general efficacy of precious metal fuses equates to hifi fora being useless .
there is much more to hifi fora that foo Horatio. Really! Does it require 5 exclamation marks to make your insulting point? But it's everybody else that has the problem isn't it DQ? Bloody hell of all the things i have said, you take issue with the number of exclamation marks - Top banana !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will of course assume , it is because you cant actually take issue with anything i have written .
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Post by Chris on Oct 6, 2014 19:40:55 GMT
Now for you to be sceptical MartinT is just a bit rich....
Anyway they're not gold they are AUDIOPHILE silver plated guaranteed to improve any lead bargain fuses.
Maybe pish,might make a difference. Too cheap not to try.
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Post by MartinT on Oct 6, 2014 21:51:05 GMT
Go for it and let us know!
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Post by yomanze on Oct 7, 2014 6:43:53 GMT
and as you'll probably know these companies do select components based on listening tests. Those look like 20mm internal fuses, not plug fuses which are the subject of this thread.
As for selection by listening tests, no I don't think that's common knowledge or even, in the case of Naim, whether I believe it. "Mains" fuses, ah of course... "RTFQ" .... "read the f**king question".
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Post by jazzbones on Jan 10, 2015 16:38:51 GMT
Very interesting this fuse thing... does it work? Yes or No . Well for me it did work. Just before Christmas when I I installed a RA fuse (C£20.00p) from the September Whittlebury Hall Hi Fi Show where he was doing a before/after comparison on a battered old ghetto blaster. I did hear a difference, note the word difference, and as RA has a 60 day home trial period I bought one and installed in my mains cable (which happened to be a RA one of yesteryear) feeding power to the power supply that runs my DD TT. I did hear a likeable improvement, not one that blew my underwear off or anything like that, but sufficient enough to say that it was not going back for a refund to. Now prior to all this I had just renovated my dedicate supply to my music rig plus made a change over from round 15amp gold plated mains plug,which don't have fuses, to a 13amp set up. So all mains leads, Wattgate IECs, MS HD 13amp plug and a new RA 8 socket distribution block are all virginal shiny new and treated with Caig DeOxit. A standard new fuse, end caps cleaned and treated was pitted against the RA one dually treated. I heard the difference, I liked the difference, I liked the improvement that I heard, all of what MartinT has earlier declared... I'm sold on the idea. This is a very simple and easy comparison to make provided of course you observe electrical safety practice and precautions. What could be easier than unplugging the 13amp plug, taking one screw out, hoisting out the resident fuse and putting in the new in question, putting everything back... How long is that likely to take? Much easier than messing about with the internals of any amp, the correct alignment of a pickup cartridge etc. Give it a go and if you're not convinced send it back for a refund postage is pennies. Don't forget that we spend similar amounts of hard earned cash on record brushed, cleaning fluids, LP sleeves,CD stablizers and on and on with hardly a question asked. To the scientific ones amongst us of the sceptical disposition, may I say that with time some scientific practices and beliefs get disproved and scientists are prone to argue amongst themselves are they not, which of them are infallible?
Ron
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Post by MartinT on Jan 10, 2015 19:02:58 GMT
I'm one fuse short of my 'master plan'! My P10 regenerator, which feeds the entire system, is clearly the most important component to fuse with the best one I can afford. Its power cable, a Coherent 6D, is already fused with a Synergistic Red. However, the P10 rear panel fuse is still a 3A Hi-Fi Tuning, which in my previous tests was outperformed by the Red.
So I have a 20mm 3.15A Red on order and will plug this gap as soon as possible. Seeing as I heard a difference in upgrading the plug fuse, I expect this one to make a difference, too. Every little helps!
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 10, 2015 21:30:42 GMT
Weakest link in the chain maybe
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