hobnob
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Post by hobnob on Jul 13, 2014 21:54:23 GMT
"There is absolutely no such thing as an absolute". Sorry, but somebody was going to say it..........  |
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Post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew on Jul 13, 2014 23:04:48 GMT
I started this thread with the same intentions as I start any thread reviewing an item of equipment: to help readers to shortlist components for further listening. I never advocate anyone going on my opinion or that of anyone else - all we can give is an indication of performance and a recommendation or not for further interest. Members need to take their own action and listen to the products for themselves if they are sufficiently interested. If they are not, then move along, nothing to see here! My comments are not aimed at you Martin. |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 14, 2014 5:56:35 GMT
...and they weren't taken that way, Richard.
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steve
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Post by steve on Jul 14, 2014 6:18:50 GMT
"There is absolutely no such thing as an absolute". Sorry, but somebody was going to say it.......... Yes there is. "unique" is an absolute. Something is either unique or it is not. The modern expression "very unique" is meaningless. "Equal" is another absolute term.  |
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hobnob
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Post by hobnob on Jul 14, 2014 6:48:31 GMT
I was being "oxymoronic"  |
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Post by pre65 on Jul 14, 2014 6:48:57 GMT
"There is absolutely no such thing as an absolute". Sorry, but somebody was going to say it.......... Yes there is. "unique" is an absolute. Something is either unique or it is not. The modern expression "very unique" is meaningless. Last time I made that statement Nick managed to convince me that the word "unique" could be qualified. Just waiting for my soldering iron to attain full heat so I can tinker with my unique rendition of a GK-71 (as a triode) SET amp. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 6:57:05 GMT
Are you certain about that? N ick,
Gimme an example and lets see if we can debunk it.
Oh good grief, that's easy enough. Try Nodrog is right about everything |
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Post by lurcher on Jul 14, 2014 7:33:52 GMT
Yes there is. "unique" is an absolute. Something is either unique or it is not. The modern expression "very unique" is meaningless. Last time I made that statement Nick managed to convince me that the word "unique" could be qualified. Just waiting for my soldering iron to attain full heat so I can tinker with my unique rendition of a GK-71 (as a triode) SET amp. FWIW, this is the example I gave last time. The original Mona Lisa is a one off, Each one a box of a hundred prints of the Mona Lisa is slightly different, no two are exactly the same. I would say the former is more unique than the latter. |
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Post by Pinch on Jul 14, 2014 7:38:13 GMT
"unique" is an absolute. Something is either unique or it is not. The modern expression "very unique" is meaningless. I'm not sure about that, Steve. Of course, in its primary and traditional sense to mean 'one of a kind', a thing either is or is not unique; there are no gradations. But the term has taken on a secondary sense to mean 'special' or 'unusual', and so, when used in this way, it's perfectly possible for a thing to be 'very unique'. Of course, for whatever reason, one may dislike that the term has taken on this secondary sense, but meaningless it aint  |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 14, 2014 8:11:59 GMT
Can we get back to the cable please?
By all means start another thread in General Chat about the meaning of the word 'unique'...
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Post by danielquinn on Jul 14, 2014 8:35:13 GMT
I was being "oxymoronic" I don't think you were . In fact , why the reticence ? Your post may have been many things , but an oxymoron it was not .
Also , language , like maths as it own internal rules , if there are absolutes within them , they are contextual absolutes and thus not actually absolutes .
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hobnob
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Post by hobnob on Jul 14, 2014 9:19:12 GMT
Edit: apologies and agreed, Martin. I hadn't expected my throwaway remark to draw any comment. I missed your last post. Back to the cables.....
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Post by danielquinn on Jul 14, 2014 9:24:59 GMT
it is logically nonsense and contradictory ,but that doesn't make it an oxymoron . It may be a paradox oxymoron , but to be honest I cant be arsed working it out so I will apologise for my dogmatic lack of due diligence .
Sorry
P.S- thread drift keeps a forum organic .
And it seems to me given some of the comments written about SLIC , grammar lessons are required |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 14, 2014 9:38:12 GMT
DQ - lessons in grammar from you would be an oxymoron (and before you complain, you have left evidence of your terrible grammar hosed liberally around the forum).
Now, back to the cables please!
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Post by danielquinn on Jul 14, 2014 9:50:53 GMT
I would never complain about the truth |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 14, 2014 9:59:05 GMT
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Post by ninanina on Jul 23, 2014 0:06:24 GMT
I've been away for a few days so I'm not "up-to-speed" on the SLIC speaker cable front
As I THINK I might be next in line for a trial of the SLIC speaker cable can some peeps tell me what they thought of them?
I know that Martin didn't want the SLIC to replace the TQ UB's and the UB's are of similar price I think
Anyone think the SLIC speaker cable is ok ??
Thanks all ...
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Post by John on Jul 23, 2014 4:01:12 GMT
Have a read of Martins blog to get a sense of the importance of system synergy with regards to cables
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Post by Chris on Jul 23, 2014 5:42:28 GMT
£1000 for speaker cable is madness.  If someone is willing to let me try it and hear it hopefully I can be proved wrong but to me,at that price it cannot possibly make my system sound 50x better than what I've got so therefore would be a bonkers purchase. My experience of all this stuff is limited but FFS this is just nuts. Each to their own and all that.... |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 23, 2014 5:49:24 GMT
My experience of speaker cables is as others here have said already: synergy really is everything. Since it interfaces between the amplifier and speakers and can carry some pretty heavy instantaneous currents, its role is important.
You may well think that £1,000 is potty for a pair of cables, chris, and I don't necessarily disagree with you. However, at one time I was running Kimber Select KS-3035 cables, which I bought many years ago for £1,800. Yes, I know, but I had more money to spend then. They were good for their time, but their price shot up over the years to a list price now of £5,554! Yes, you read that correctly. Yet when I compared Tellurium Q Ultra Blacks with them in my system, there was no contest so I bought the TQs and sold the Kimbers at a profit! |
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If someone is willing to let me try it and hear it hopefully I can be proved wrong but to me,at that price it cannot possibly make my system sound 50x better than what I've got so therefore would be a bonkers purchase.