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Post by mattspl on Jan 28, 2023 12:50:13 GMT
I have a feeling that painting the glass or ceramic part of a fuse will benefit from this paint, or alternatively wrapping a small piece of the RFI tape around the fuse.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Jan 28, 2023 12:56:26 GMT
Very interesting....Something else to test!
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Post by John on Jan 28, 2023 13:46:54 GMT
I certainly will not be touching the fuse
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Post by MartinT on Jan 28, 2023 13:55:19 GMT
If the fuse blows for safety reasons and that stuff is semi-conductive, you're in for a much more miserable time than the cost of replacing that fuse.
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Post by mattspl on Jan 28, 2023 14:06:36 GMT
If the fuse blows for safety reasons and that stuff is semi-conductive, you're in for a much more miserable time than the cost of replacing that fuse. Good point! Better test that first. Some of the aftermarket fuses, particularly Graphene infused ones could suffer that problem by the looks of it. Just painting the very centre of the glass or ceramic might be ok.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Jan 28, 2023 15:07:26 GMT
I certainly will not be touching the fuse Just read a bit more into Graphene that used in G Shield. l think your correct John,although it's metal free, l believe it will Conduct power,this is Tony's department really. lf you where going to apply,it would need to be sheilded,over the glass, then apply a G Shield painted paper sticker on top, thats a lot of messing around, l will try it on my DAC fuse, l'm on the fence on this one.
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Post by mattspl on Jan 28, 2023 15:13:06 GMT
I certainly will not be touching the fuse Just read a bit more into Graphene that used in G Shield. l think your correct John,although it's metal free, l believe it will Conduct power,this is Tony's department really. lf you where going to apply,it would need to be sheilded,over the glass, then apply a G Shield painted paper sticker on top, thats a lot of messing around, l will try it on my DAC fuse, l'm on the fence on this one. This gave me the idea here. Looks like copper tape and Graphene filled fuse. www.alanmaherdesigns.net/product-page/fourier-audiophile-fuse
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Post by Slinger on Jan 28, 2023 15:27:12 GMT
Rustins G-Shield is a high-quality water-borne paint designed to reduce hum/buzz and electrical interference [ in electric guitars]. G Shield can be applied with any brush to the pickup and control cavities in electric guitar/bass to reduce hum and noise. It can also be used as conductive paint/paste or ink to make electrically conductive circuits, including switches and for RF/EMI shielding and screening. G-Shield is solvent free with low emissions and has lasting corrosion resistance as the paint contains no metal particles, the carbon in the paint prevents the formation of corrosion on metal surfaces. Can be applied under all commonly used emulsion paints and clean organic plasters. G-Shield has incremental shielding attenuation (up to -57 dB for one layer of coating) for the frequency range up to 20 GHz and higher, including the 5G frequency spectrum • Contains Graphite • Breathable, low-emissions, solvent-free • Lasting corrosion resistance, contains no metal • Can be applied over all commonly used emulsion paints • Reduces hum and electrical buzz www.northwestguitars.co.uk/g-shield-emi-shielding-paint-125ml/The best-known method of shielding control/pickup cavities in electric guitars utilioses copper tape.
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Post by John on Jan 29, 2023 6:49:25 GMT
It might be good to share what has worked and not worked in my system I trail by tape first. Not worked and adds harshness. Tape on optical converter Tape on ethernet cable after the optical converter Tape on BNC cable to clock Tape on the Leo Bodnar Tape on the DAC Tape on the amp Not worked but no negative effect speaker cables Worked Tape on my power plugs connectors I use shielded mains cable Tape on my XLR connectors Tape on ethernet cable to the optical box RFI paint on the grounding box to router RFI paint on the grounding box to the mains (please note I tried with tape first)
With this best to try a step at a time and do not use paint until you have done tape trail.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Jan 29, 2023 9:55:52 GMT
Excellent advice John
Interesting tests, Rustins doesn't seem to block lower frequencies like LW or MW, but l think it's done to thickness on low frequencies, will test on FM next,we know it works on Wi Fi and 4G.
So l took the plunge and treated the fuse in the DAC,it was a Gold Plated ,Bussman, l put a pre painted sticker around back of plug, surprisingly a little bit more insight,a little bit holographic,so thats a keeper, they all add up.
Next, out comes the box, l placed the leaf audio device inside, excellent, slightly less harshness, better definition. So on the the I2s cable and Black Magic USB, out comes the Copper tape and remove the box...Excellent,similar to the box, but still retaining a little harshness, looks like its worth sheilding this unit.
l have a bit of a issue of painting the inside of a unit, simply even when the paints dry,the graphine comes off on to your hands...not good, almost like when you handle coal.l guess a coat of emulsion or clear lacquer would work, or apply some insulation tape over the top. What l can say G sheild,is as effective as copper tape, and comes into it's own, when you want to splash it all over like aftershave, will look into some sealant next, hopefully it should stop it rubbing off.
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Post by Slinger on Jan 29, 2023 14:38:33 GMT
A quick tip I picked up on a bass forum: Before you buy dedicated copper insulation tape, check out Copper Slug Tape instead, which can be much cheaper.
e.g.
BQLZR Copper Foil Tape Guitar Pickup Copper Foil EMI Shielding Tape Double-Side Conductive Adhesive for Plants Protection Width 1.08 Inch, Woven Length 78.74 Inch (2m) for Guitar and EMI Shielding - £6.20
Copper Slug Tape Multibuy 3 x 4m rolls - £6.49
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Post by stellabagpuss on Jan 30, 2023 21:15:45 GMT
Just thought I would add a small bit info ref testing with the G Sheild, as I discovered it is pretty ineffective on LW MW radio band, you can test this theory with a portable radio, try and find a station that is around the half way mark signal wise, turn volume up! Place inside box fully closed,if you can no longer hear the signal, the sheilding working, but as stated it won't on the LW & MW bands, this is down to what as known as the Skin Effect.
So whats the point of G Sheild, well when you start to move to higher frequencies, thats when G Sheild, or Copper or other metals starts to work.
Now unless you have a portable Short Wave radio or a SDR reciever, you won't be able to test this, I managed to get G Shield working at 6060 Mhz listening to China Radio International, good signal, once in the box, signal gone. Due to shortwave being quiet these days, I didn't venture to the 4MHz band, but from 6mhz all the way up to 30Mhz it worked. I then tested the FM band 107.2 MHz and again it worked. We already know that it works on the WI FI Band 2.4Ghz and 4G 800Mhz (O2 UK) from my earlier tests. Of course, these are basic tests,anyone can conduct, and no doubt you could go really deep into this, but I hopeing that my simple methods I have used, will also help others.
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Post by MartinT on Jan 31, 2023 19:43:45 GMT
All is not wasted! I tried my G Shield painted offcuts in a different way. My 3-way stack of the key digital components DAC, DDC and clock are all very close to each other. They are in aluminium cases and there is a lot of digital noise flying between the three. I tried one offcut under the DDC and another under the clock. There was no downside and I detected some greater clarity and better separation in busy mixes. I don't have a third piece to go between the DDC and clock, but this seems promising.
So, I'll get some cardboard tomorrow, cut it to the X26 Pro top-plate dimensions of 300 x 260mm, paint it and also make a smaller piece to go between the DDC and clock. Then we'll try again.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Jan 31, 2023 20:22:53 GMT
Keep us posted
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Post by mattspl on Jan 31, 2023 20:40:52 GMT
I wonder could this help for some applications? TitanRF Faraday Fabric 44" x 36" (.91m x 1.1m) + Extra 36" TitanRF Tape. Military Grade Conductive Material Blocks RF Signals WiFi Cell Bluetooth RFID EMF Radiation Shielding amzn.eu/d/inojFdy
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Post by stellabagpuss on Jan 31, 2023 21:10:53 GMT
Possiblely, but you run the risk of keeping the noise inside the sheild, l guess it depends on what your using it on. l was considering using something like this for my NUC.l believe you can get a copper version as well. Interesting, l had a look at the photos on Amazon, the claim frequencies it reduces confirms my tests.
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Post by MartinT on Jan 31, 2023 21:37:20 GMT
I would just say be careful not to block vents/heatsinks and cause overheating. You don't want to solve one problem and cause another.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Jan 31, 2023 22:14:27 GMT
I would just say be careful not to block vents/heatsinks and cause overheating. You don't want to solve one problem and cause another. Thanks Martin, yes aware of this,it will probably be a small tent,l don't think the fabric is air tight, but need to do a bit more research
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Post by stellabagpuss on Feb 1, 2023 10:18:14 GMT
Just researched.. You can use a wooden box, paint or copper line,on top of box drill a series of air holes,then cover the top with copper mesh with small holes for heat to escape,this will work, due to the size of the small holes
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Post by MartinT on Feb 1, 2023 19:41:30 GMT
So, I'll get some cardboard tomorrow, cut it to the X26 Pro top-plate dimensions of 300 x 260mm, paint it and also make a smaller piece to go between the DDC and clock. Then we'll try again. Card acquired, cut to fit the X26 Pro, painted and manoeuvred into place, with a smaller piece standing vertically between DDC and clock. So all three DAC-related devices are shielded from each other. What I hear is some improved separation between close harmony female voices in the treble, as well as wonderful cymbal detail on the right recording. More precision in transient attack making percussion strikes even more impactful. Bass is slightly growlier, a real surprise. It's the small difference between a slightly tired performance and one where everyone had a good night's sleep. If you didn't know my system, I doubt you would hear it. Worth it? For the cost of a small tin of paint, sure. My QA grounding boxes don't want these shields anywhere near them, though.
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