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Post by MartinT on Jan 15, 2023 12:26:23 GMT
Please don't take this thread as antagonistic or judgemental! We really would like to know why participation is so low from members.
Feel free to comment freely but please do vote in the poll so that we have a measure of percentages.
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Post by ChrisB on Jan 15, 2023 13:26:12 GMT
I suspect a big part of this may be that some folks are nervous about discussing the music with others who are more knowledgeable about it.
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Post by MartinT on Jan 15, 2023 13:35:59 GMT
I suspect a big part of this may be that some folks are nervous about discussing the music with others who are more knowledgeable about it. I agree and I would love for that not to be. We don't want snobbishness here and we would love to introduce a few representative pieces that would ease members into a world that they may not know - and they may end up liking.
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Post by petea on Jan 15, 2023 14:16:12 GMT
Mainly for me it is time. I can listen to other genres in chunks and, if I really do not like it, skip through songs. A classical piece feels like it demands more attention and should be listened to in its entirety and at leisure. In many cases I 'know' the piece presented, but not well and it may not be a 'favourite, and so to set time aside to listen takes more effort. With other genres I am keen to here something new and so there is a more compelling reason to listen to it, even if I end up hating it!
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Post by John on Jan 15, 2023 14:34:45 GMT
In my case whilst I can sometimes enjoy classical music but it is quite rare. This makes it hard for me to discuss classical music as I just do not have the depth of interest and passion for this style of music.
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Post by MartinT on Jan 15, 2023 16:18:42 GMT
A classical piece feels like it demands more attention and should be listened to in its entirety and at leisure. I do not subscribe to the rather aloof notion that you must listen to an entire classical symphony, concerto etc. in one go. Yes, it helps but you can certainly dip in to favourite sections. Of course, you need to get to know the sections that you like, and that comes with time. I do try and guide a little in Classical Album Choice but they are my favourites and may not be yours. You should feel absolutely free to listen to one movement if you don't want to spend an evening listening to one long symphony. For instance, just the 'sunrise' 3rd movement of Beethoven's 5th is fabulous and stands alone as a superb example of his talent.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 15, 2023 16:21:10 GMT
I usually lose interest early on in most pieces. So I'm expecting a bad experience
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Post by ajski2fly on Jan 15, 2023 17:59:27 GMT
I love classical music but need to be in the right mood to enjoy it and also without interruptions. So I do not listen as often as maybe I should.
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Post by Mr Whippy on Jan 16, 2023 19:48:59 GMT
For me, the emotional connection isn't really there, apart from with say cello works and the themes to The Onedin Line, Family At War and This Week. Oh, Madam Butterfly and a bit of Verdi - and Erik Satie's Fry's Creme ad. I like some baroque, but, I can't respond to it in the way I would to the likes of Pink Floyd's Time or the Moody Blues' Watching And Waiting, or any number of others. Resources have always been limited for me, and as such, I've never actually bought a classical LP or CD. Do have a cd of Gregorian Chants, however.
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Post by MartinT on Jan 16, 2023 20:24:28 GMT
Some good honest opinions, here. They offer some enlightenment.
I'd like to hear more before offering a possible solution.
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Post by Clive on Jan 16, 2023 20:47:43 GMT
I’m a dabbler with classical. As with jazz, classical too is a very broad church. It’s been simpler for me to get to know which subsets of jazz I enjoy whereas classical I feel requires more effort a time to assimilate. Naturally I am very familiar with a number of the “classics”. It’s branching out of these that requires more effort and time, which is something I will do, having retired now.
Andre Rieu is on TV currently…talk about kitch but if people enjoy it then it has value.
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Post by julesd68 on Jan 16, 2023 21:04:39 GMT
For me, the emotional connection isn't really there, apart from with say cello works and the themes to The Onedin Line, Family At War and This Week. The Onedin Line theme music - Spartacus: Adagio of Spartacus and Phrygia - has always been an absolute favourite of mine and was perhaps one of the first classical LP's I ever bought - this version with the Vienna Philharmonic remains unsurpassed by all those I have listened to ... The ballet from which it comes is spectacular too.
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Post by julesd68 on Jan 16, 2023 21:16:06 GMT
I’m a dabbler with classical. As with jazz, classical too is a very broad church. It’s been simpler for me to get to know which subsets of jazz I enjoy whereas classical I feel requires more effort a time to assimilate. Naturally I am very familiar with a number of the “classics”. It’s branching out of these that requires more effort and time, which is something I will do, having retired now. Hi Clive, don't hesitate to ask for any further listening selections! Also to help you investigate at your leisure, I cannot recommend highly enough Dave Hurwitz's Classical Music Guide on YouTube. It has listening guides for all levels of interest across all areas and ages of the genre and has the advantage of being highly entertaining too ... Do give him a try. youtube.com/@davesclassicalguide
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Post by MartinT on Jan 16, 2023 21:19:36 GMT
...and on a similar note, Khachaturian also wrote another ballet called Gayaneh. The Adagio is hauntingly empty and beautiful, as used in the film 2001: A Space Odyssey to depict the long and lonely journey to Jupiter.
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Post by mikeyb on Jan 16, 2023 21:33:53 GMT
For me it's simple, I don't listen to classical.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 17, 2023 10:12:12 GMT
When I first investigated classical the starting point was the 'good bits' I heard from various sources
Played the whole piece and the previously known good bits were the only attraction for me. The rest meandered on and on
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Post by Clive on Jan 18, 2023 12:11:22 GMT
When I first investigated classical the starting point was the 'good bits' I heard from various sources Played the whole piece and the previously known good bits were the only attraction for me. The rest meandered on and on I think this a very much part of the issue. A lot of classical work seems to me to be a journey with parts I enjoy and parts that seem like a filler, a bit like “concept album”. With more understanding of the particular piece I find my “filler” view is changed to a more positive view. With a jazz album, rock or most other non-classical genres, it’s normal for me to be able to listen to a relatively short excerpt of a single track to assess whether I’m interested in the whole album. With classical I don’t find this approach works reliably. If I were into playlists comprising single tracks then a greatest hits approach would work but I grew up with albums / complete works and I mostly prefer this way of listening.
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Post by MartinT on Jan 18, 2023 12:28:56 GMT
These are good points from MikeMusic and Clive . It's not always successful 'dipping into' classical music to find the "best bits" and it takes time to listen to a whole work while you're ramping up your appreciation. Very often, I find the "best bits" are no longer the best and other sections start to raise themselves after a bit more listening. Very much like concept albums. This is why I'm thinking of formulating a place where we can introduce short sections or single movements to ease members into what classical music can really do, and leave them to explore further (or not) depending on how taken they are with it. Just as with modern music, no classical music fan likes ALL of classical music. That would be impossible. For me, I have yet to find anything much in Mendelssohn's work that I like and there is very little in opera that turns me on. Yet some of the overtures are fantastic! So no-one is expected to love all that they are presented with. The examples in this thread (Spartacus and Gayaneh) are good examples of music you may have heard but could not name. There's a lot of music used in Ads like this, although Shazam has made it easier to identify now. I am not suggesting that we go on a quasi-religious mission of conversion here, but it would be fun to introduce pieces that engenders a reaction of "I like that but never knew what it was". Thoughts?
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Post by Slinger on Jan 18, 2023 12:32:54 GMT
Classical music is not all one-hour-plus symphonies guys. For instance, I love Cello concertos, Elgar's runs for around 30-35 minutes. Shorter cello concertos are available. How about a nice 20-minute violin concerto? Organ works? Bach wrote a load from just over 3-minutes long.
Look at it as a chance to broaden your horizons in nice bite-sized chunks. Go down the rabbit hole on YouTube, and select what you play by the length of the piece if needs be.
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Post by John on Jan 18, 2023 12:41:44 GMT
I agree I don't want to put in a hour listening to find a 4 to 10 min section I enjoy Also I like to listen to albums as a collective whole and that is rare with classical music for me
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