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Post by MartinT on Aug 27, 2023 12:41:28 GMT
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Post by stellabagpuss on Aug 27, 2023 12:46:50 GMT
You lost me Martin ? Did mean add some text?
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Post by MartinT on Aug 27, 2023 12:48:12 GMT
It's a link to one on sale in eBay, Damien.
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Post by bencat on Aug 27, 2023 12:50:42 GMT
Thanks Martin but the eBay listings I can find are all not genuine Cisco and pale blue . I checked Amazon and they only have Cisco compatable not genuine Cisco cables. Will continue to have a look and see if I can find some genuine sellers .A company intelligentnetworking.co.uk looks to be a Cisco specialist and offering what looks to be genuine Cisco cables for £62 for 2M which is very much lower than some of the other ones I have seen . I find buying in this sector quite confusing as there does not seem to be the same rigour shown in products being sold being genuine . These at least are the right colour just not sure . Just checked this through to checkout before paying and it has indicated this price includes tax and free 2 to 4 day shipping which seems to be a very competitive price but is it too good to be true ?
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Post by stellabagpuss on Aug 27, 2023 13:05:54 GMT
It's a link to one on sale in eBay, Damien. Incredibly and by coincidence, that's the same seller,l just purchased them from 🤣
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Post by bencat on Aug 27, 2023 13:14:55 GMT
Just bought the last one so lucky that is all I need and nothing like the price I have seen so a very good saving . Thanks Martin did not realise what you posted was a link but got there in the end and at that price it is not much of a gamble either .
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Post by Slinger on Aug 27, 2023 13:45:40 GMT
Any thoughts on IBM (12R9914) cables, anyone? They seem to be about half the price of Cisco for a 5m run.
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Post by MartinT on Aug 27, 2023 14:19:10 GMT
It's impossible to know, Paul. I have approaching 10 SFP and cable combinations and 2 AOCs and they all sound different. You can't know from the spec how they will sound.
The Cisco sounds the best, is all I can say.
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Post by Slinger on Aug 27, 2023 21:07:37 GMT
That's novel. The IBM cable comes with an installation disk. £24.00 with free delivery on eBay. I've seen 5m runs of IBM 12R9914 priced well over £100.00
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Post by MartinT on Aug 27, 2023 21:24:23 GMT
That looks like just a cable without SFPs. You will need to match it with single-mode or multi-mode SFPs depending on what type it is.
The Cisco is an AOC (Active Optical Cable) = cable + built-in SFPs.
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Post by Slinger on Aug 27, 2023 21:41:00 GMT
That looks like just a cable without SFPs. You will need to match it with single-mode or multi-mode SFPs depending on what type it is. The Cisco is an AOC (Active Optical Cable) = cable + built-in SFPs. I've already got what should be matching SFPs - www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B09KBHHVX8 - so choosing the Cisco cable would just have been duplicating them.
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Post by bencat on Aug 28, 2023 10:43:52 GMT
Not as well versed in this as some but there is a belief that the sfp quality is perhaps the most important part of the link . Now these cables are not designed with Audio in mind they are networking cables and in the industry they are in speed and stability are the two main goals and often these come at a price of being noisy . There are low noise sfp units in the market and these are often used in things like clean rooms and the like were very low noise is desirable . Audiophile Digital Optical Technology produce ADOT sets for Melco dataswitches but can be used with others they have done work on sourcing both the Media Converters and the sfp . Compared to other units their kit as is often the case when HiFi comes in are expensive but I did check the sfp model they use for its figures and they are being truthful that it is a very low noise unit and nothing like the speed of some . My younger brother is an IT network magager for Mersey Health Region and I spke to him about this expecting the usual it will make no difference but instead was quite surprised that he said in the application I was using it the low noise would be far more important than the speed . He then sent me details of in his view the best sfp for low noise and at £1260 each I decided I would stick to what I am using . Perhaps of interest is my brother has a mainly Cisco back bone for his networks but says their cables are over priced and using alternatives often gets better and more reliable results . But remember he is not talking audio just networking and he did say audio requires very different things . So as Martin has said it is hard to judge any cable on its price but looking at the noise figures and going for the lowest you can find for a sensible price might well be a start .
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Post by orange55 on Aug 28, 2023 15:23:17 GMT
It maybe worth noting that the list price for the Cisco SFP-10G-AOC2M which Martin refers to and I use to great effect is $390. But most Cisco customers pay a lot less.
Gives you an idea of where it sits compared to the £20 compatible ones.
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Post by bencat on Aug 28, 2023 15:58:30 GMT
Yes but in this case both myself and I presume Martin have bought it for much less than that and I am not talking a small saving . So is the retail price just a joke by Cisco so they can offer customers huge discounts or are the ones we have bought fakes ?
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Post by stellabagpuss on Aug 28, 2023 17:22:53 GMT
Yes but in this case both myself and I presume Martin have bought it for much less than that and I am not talking a small saving . So is the retail price just a joke by Cisco so they can offer customers huge discounts or are the ones we have bought fakes ? Well we will find out soon enough Bencat.. As l purchased 2 from the same supplier. l would be surprised if they were fake, as the market isn't that big. Of course never say never... Chances are they have acquired via the back door... 😉
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Post by MartinT on Aug 28, 2023 17:42:19 GMT
Yes but in this case both myself and I presume Martin have bought it for much less than that and I am not talking a small saving . So is the retail price just a joke by Cisco so they can offer customers huge discounts or are the ones we have bought fakes ? Not fakes, mine has the Cisco logo at one end and all the correct identifiers. The list price is not a joke, corporates pay these prices. The reason for the low prices is usually excess or liquidated stock or previously used. Mine was in a sealed packet. The point being made is that they are high quality items and also sound extremely good. I am glad that there is new-found interest in optical links. I did a lot of research early on to establish what works and what doesn't.
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Post by orange55 on Aug 30, 2023 8:14:25 GMT
As per Martin comment above. I also only paid £15 for mine on eBay and it had the genuine Cisco logo and sounds great.
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Post by bencat on Aug 30, 2023 11:11:58 GMT
Well cisco cable arrived today there is no way of really telling but it certainly is either in mint condition or brand new . As mentioned all marked up as Cisco genuine part so now just have to turn everything off on the newtwork remove the current cable and put this one in its place . Means that there is no way to test the sound quality A to B but I trust the work done here that this is a very good cable and has made a very through cable switcher just say that is good enough . Will obviously come back and let you know if things do change . Does Optical Cable have a burn in time ?
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Post by MartinT on Aug 30, 2023 11:21:48 GMT
Does Optical Cable have a burn in time ? I don't think so, but the SFPs have burn-in and warm-up time, so give it 24 hours to settle down. Good luck with the swap!
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Post by bencat on Aug 30, 2023 12:01:06 GMT
Now I never knew that sfp,s had burn in time . Switch over now completed and just sat down for a listen . I get very nervous about making comments on switches that take a long time to make and I am aware that audio memory is not very good . But I am very sure that the swap has had an effect on the music in general . Sound stage has become wider with more things coming outside of the speakers and there seems more natural details to instruments without any sign of them being brighter . Playing and singing is more natural and there is an enhanced feeling that this is real people performing . Mix layers are easier to hear and identify but it is not so that the music sounds as if it has been exposed it just sounds more of a whole . Now I am fully aware that this could be just me fooling myself and if so then will take the improvements any way . In my defence I paid less than twenty pounds for this cable so had little or no expectations for it to do anything apart from the enthusiasm shown on here . If this is going to get better with burn in then happy days Martin thank you both for the advice and link this is a good day for music in the McBride household .
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