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Post by brettj on Jun 9, 2023 6:51:27 GMT
I do like the 'one less box' theory.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jun 9, 2023 8:14:35 GMT
I do like the 'one less box' theory. Always good to keep the box count down wherever possible Says the bloke with 15 boxes just on the racking and 10 plus around the house for filtering and grounding |
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Post by Slinger on Jun 9, 2023 12:16:24 GMT
Slinger I can't be certain but are those multimode SFPs? Make sure you match the fibre cable to them. Yup, both multimode, Martin. From the Anazon descriptions... "Fiber Port: 550-m SFP transceiver included (1.25G, multimode, 850-nm), 2-pack" "Gigabit Multimode SFP LC Transceiver." - "Cabling: OM1, OM2, OM3, and OM4 fibe". |
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Post by Slinger on Jun 9, 2023 15:51:25 GMT
I should probably reiterate, I have no plans to switch to fibre immediately, but it's not going to go down in price so I've ordered it now so that there's no dithering and faffing around on my part when I finally make the switch.
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Post by julesd68 on Jun 9, 2023 16:23:22 GMT
Same here!
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Post by speedysteve on Jun 10, 2023 13:44:34 GMT
Yes, it's important that both ends of the optical link not be served by the same power supply as you will simply be bridging the isolation. If it's a discrete dual power supply? Have to trust it though🙂 2 separate supplies in the same room will inevitably be on the same ring main.. how far to take this? Trusting the separate power supplies are correctly constructed and smooth out noise, of course, can't get any better. Well, having a long dedicated optic all the way from router to music playing room, but even then most likely still on the same ring main / fuse box etc. The clean side of the optic link could be battery I suppose. Have to look up the current draw. I have some spare litium cells. Careful charging them though. Don't want a cheap scooter like fire! Ans: they are quoted as 2.5W. So 0.5A per unit @ 5V. |
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Post by MartinT on Jun 10, 2023 14:01:36 GMT
Dual output PSU or two different ones should be fine. If you have a long run from the router, much better to make that the fibre run, replacing ethernet that's picking up all sorts of noise.
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Post by julesd68 on Jun 12, 2023 10:11:11 GMT
I'm having a rethink to incorporate a 4g router into my plans. This would avoid the 10m optical cable run through the flat which I wouldn't be able to leave in place all the time. Data is getting cheaper all the time and having a dedicated router for audio would save a lot of faff for me.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Jun 12, 2023 12:57:03 GMT
I'm having a rethink to incorporate a 4g router into my plans. This would avoid the 10m optical cable run through the flat which I wouldn't be able to leave in place all the time. Data is getting cheaper all the time and having a dedicated router for audio would save a lot of faff for me. That makes more sense Jules, at least you can place it wherever you want etc. 4g is getting cheaper that for sure, although I going to ask as there is another option, Air Band Broadband. One for MartinT, wonder if he has any experience of this? |
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Post by MartinT on Jun 12, 2023 13:34:52 GMT
I have used 4G for music streaming for 3 years now and it works brilliantly well. It's so successful that I am not looking for another solution as yet.
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Post by Clive on Jun 12, 2023 13:46:11 GMT
I'm having a rethink to incorporate a 4g router into my plans. This would avoid the 10m optical cable run through the flat which I wouldn't be able to leave in place all the time. Data is getting cheaper all the time and having a dedicated router for audio would save a lot of faff for me. You may still want a short fibre link for the 4G router to your streamer, you won’t need a 10m fibre run but you’ll still want media converters and their power supplies. Sounds like a good plan. |
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Post by julesd68 on Jun 12, 2023 14:17:38 GMT
I'm having a rethink to incorporate a 4g router into my plans. This would avoid the 10m optical cable run through the flat which I wouldn't be able to leave in place all the time. Data is getting cheaper all the time and having a dedicated router for audio would save a lot of faff for me. You may still want a short fibre link for the 4G router to your streamer, you won’t need a 10m fibre run but you’ll still want media converters and their power supplies. Sounds like a good plan. Hi Clive, much as I like the fibre optic idea, the two extra boxes and psu's are not so appealing. I might give the 4g router a go first with ethernet, not decided yet ... |
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Post by Clive on Jun 12, 2023 16:55:06 GMT
You may still want a short fibre link for the 4G router to your streamer, you won’t need a 10m fibre run but you’ll still want media converters and their power supplies. Sounds like a good plan. Hi Clive, much as I like the fibre optic idea, the two extra boxes and psu's are not so appealing. I might give the 4g router a go first with ethernet, not decided yet ... I sympathise, I’ve tried cutting down my box count but when I manage to remove one I find I “need” another two! The 4G router will hopefully help you, though it’s and extra box plus you’re bound to want an LPS 🤔 There are times when I give up chasing absolutely the best SQ to try to retain what’s left of my sanity 😂 |
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Post by Tobias on Jun 12, 2023 18:02:39 GMT
I went with a WiFi extender for £18 instead. (TP-Link TL-WA850RE WLAN-repeater)
In my mind it is the same concept as 4G in that it decouples you from ethernet.
For me, it lowered the noise floor, compared to being connected with ethernet cable to my cheap plastic router.
I just wanted to throw that in here, as an alternative to 4G. (unless I am missing some aspects)
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Post by julesd68 on Jun 13, 2023 10:38:55 GMT
I was of the understanding that WiFi extenders are notorious for injecting more noise into the network but if it works for you that's great.
I'm very happy with ethernet but 4g is tempting for convenience in my set up and the potential for lower noise levels.
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Post by Clive on Jun 13, 2023 14:22:15 GMT
I was of the understanding that WiFi extenders are notorious for injecting more noise into the network but if it works for you that's great. I'm very happy with ethernet but 4g is tempting for convenience in my set up and the potential for lower noise levels. I think they can be beneficial but they create a subnet which is some configurations creates havoc. Not all software copes with the resultant addressing. You may also end up with another switch if you need a server on the same subnet. It ends up be horses for courses…very specific configurations so no hard and fast rules. |
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Post by julesd68 on Jun 13, 2023 15:02:02 GMT
My main issue with the WiFi extender I had was that it was pants. It extended the range somewhat but the speed was dreadful.
Thankfully with our Sky WiFi we have no need for it.
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Post by brettj on Jun 15, 2023 6:56:58 GMT
It may be noted earlier in this thread.
What could I expect, running my Ethernet cables through Fibre boxes?
I have a LAN Isolator to my switch, and another one to my streamer.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 15, 2023 7:14:57 GMT
What could I expect, running my Ethernet cables through Fibre boxes? It's going to vary system to system, Brett. As I've said elsewhere, I have 5 isolation breaks in my system (4G, DXE, moat, fibre, moat) and each one reduces noise and improves sound quality. It's all about getting the cleanest, most noise-free, signal into the DAC. What you can expect generally is a wider and deeper soundstage, greater low level detail, more potent bass and a heightened level of energy. |
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Post by brettj on Jun 15, 2023 7:17:48 GMT
I could do with a heightened level of energy.
Is that akin to a kick in the pants?
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