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Post by Clive on Nov 18, 2022 16:15:54 GMT
Currently the streamer is electrically 0.5m away from the clean optical device. I have a nicer Ethernet patch cable to try which is 0.25m 😀
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Post by assisi on Mar 22, 2023 4:28:13 GMT
I have only recently become new member of The Audio Standard. My use of an optical link in my network setup never excited me. Something was missing. I have read this thread with considerable interest. I ordered a 1mt length of the Finisar AOC mentioned in this thread from the US. The parcel has gone back to the supplier as UPS could not deal with my PO BOX No. I will get a credit and reorder.
Previously I had ordered an inexpensive DAC cable. I installed it between SoTM and Melco switches. Not overly exciting result initially. Over a period of a little more than a week things changed significantly. I now have a definite step up with my listening outcome which surprisingly I can only attribute to the cable settling in. If an AOC provides an even superior outcome when I get one, I will be very happy.
In the context of switches in my network setup I have a Waversa WRouter, Waversa Wcore, Paul Pang Quad, SoTM and Melco. I also have a Waversa Ext Reference filter. Amazing component. Thank You All for the info John
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Post by MartinT on Mar 22, 2023 8:44:12 GMT
I ordered a 1mt length of the Finisar AOC mentioned in this thread from the US. Hi John A word of caution: the Finisar AOC has worked very well for others, but it was a disaster for me. It could have been a faulty cable, I just discarded it in disgust! I reverted to the trusty HP SFPs and ipolex single mode fibre that I was using before, which are the best fibre link I've yet created among many that I've tried. Some others like the Finisar SFPs that AfterDark sell at a high cost. Whatever you choose, the optical link really does work to reduce noise and improve audio quality, just approach with caution and be prepared to try different configurations.
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Post by assisi on Mar 22, 2023 10:31:47 GMT
Hi MartinT, I do appreciate the advice of caution. I did read about your less than happy experience. I am comfortable with the ordering the cable. It is about suck it and see. I am not ordering the AfterDark. When I get the cable and it settles in I will report back. On another forum I said maybe I do not need the AOC as a low level DAC cable has produced a miracle outcome after a week of settling
John
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Post by speedysteve on Mar 22, 2023 14:11:24 GMT
Related to this is a tale I recently heard from friend in Belgium who has some very hi-end kit (Grimm MU1 amongst).
I was recanting a story about my experiences of using an ethernet optical bridge.
He was not using one into the MU1. Another hifi friend of his was saying, you must try it.. He tried. Could not hear any improvement.
He did know the Grimm has Galvanic isolation, they make quite a big thing about it he said.
He contacted Grimm and asked what they use / demo their system very hi-end systems with, what router, router power, lan cable etc?
They said they use a standard router and PSU, and Cat5 standard cable. That's it. The MU1 does the rest. . . .
On the home front the Gustard U18 has galvanic Isolation I understand.
I spent some time switching between a lan cable straight from my router and one that has the optical link in..
With the Gustard U18 in, I could not really hear any difference! Both sounded absolutely excellent.
Perhaps perception bias was leading me to hear the optic sounding slightly better / comfortable with how it has been the last week or two, I don't know?
With either the Irritating noise (experienced before) was not there.
As control I plumbed the Ultrarendu feeding USB into WaveIO, and it giving SPdif to Najda. With this setup I could tell the difference and preferred the optic link.
Gustard U18 and Optic Ethernet is doing good things!
One day I might try optic all the way from the main house router to the kit directly .. quite cheap to buy a run of optic cable lead it through the property just to try. Not impossible to then drill and plumb the cable in physically hidden.
Would still need the secondary router in the music loft for WiFi though.
Perhaps "A bridge too far"😂
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Post by assisi on Mar 31, 2023 4:55:25 GMT
I have tried a 0.5 Mt DAC cable between two switches in my network. I thought that after a period of a week, there seemed to be a SQ improvement. Possibly because some settling in happened. I then tried a 0.3Mt optical cable connected to Star Tech SFPs. After a time of a few days once again there may have been a settling and maybe a SQ benefit. Not sure. Then I received a Finisar FCBG110SD1C01 AOC cable mentioned in this thread. I bought the shortest I could find. Three days and I am pleased with the result. Definite SQ Benefit. The impact has been as suggested a reduced noise floor. The start of a note from a guitar or piano is cleaner and there is slightly more decay on the note. The bass is more defined and there is more in the treble.
For me the AOC is a feel good listening plus.
John
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Post by MartinT on Mar 31, 2023 6:50:30 GMT
I still have a brand new 5m Finisar AOC in a sealed packet. After my experience with the first one, I have shied away from trying it, but it remains there looking at me and I shall give it a go sometime when I've psych'd myself up for another failure
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Post by assisi on Mar 31, 2023 22:21:10 GMT
I still have a brand new 5m Finisar AOC in a sealed packet. After my experience with the first one, I have shied away from trying it, but it remains there looking at me and I shall give it a go sometime when I've psych'd myself up for another failure You will never know if you do not try it.
John
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Post by MartinT on Mar 31, 2023 22:30:46 GMT
You will never know if you do not try it. You're right, and I will. However, I'm hardly in a hurry as the HP SFPs and ipolex single-mode fibre are doing a superb job.
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Post by assisi on Apr 6, 2023 4:46:04 GMT
My Finisar 1mt AOC cable now connected to the SoTM and Melco for just over 200hrs. Impressive outcome. Lovely. John
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Post by assisi on May 13, 2023 3:31:17 GMT
Based upon the comments of Orange 55 in this thread I bought the Finisar FCBG110SD1C01 AOC. I was pleased with the result especially after a period of settling. Then I read about the Cisco SFP-10G-AOC5M. I bought the 1Mt. A step up from the other mentioned. The music is closer to real. The attack on the beginning of the note and the ring is lovely. A definite emotional feel good listening sound wise.
John
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Post by orange55 on May 13, 2023 6:47:41 GMT
Based upon the comments of Orange 55 in this thread I bought the Finisar FCBG110SD1C01 AOC. I was pleased with the result especially after a period of settling. Then I read about the Cisco SFP-10G-AOC5M. I bought the 1Mt. A step up from the other mentioned. The music is closer to real. The attack on the beginning of the note and the ring is lovely. A definite emotional feel good listening sound wise.
John
I have also made the move to Cisco and are hearing the same as you. Good times!
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Post by MartinT on May 13, 2023 7:16:10 GMT
The Cisco is a cracker: smooth yet detailed and with stunning bass.
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Post by assisi on May 14, 2023 11:29:38 GMT
The AOC that we are using is a Cisco compatible. Is there an equivalent actual Cisco AOC? What is it? Has anyone compared the actual to the compatible? John
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Post by MartinT on May 14, 2023 11:36:06 GMT
With the Finisars and HPs I found the compatibles sounded nowhere near as good.
You want an original Cisco SFP-10G-AOC5M (or other length) with the logo on one of the SFPs.
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Post by assisi on May 15, 2023 8:01:43 GMT
Thanks for the reply. I have ordered a genuine Cisco. 6X the price. I like the Finisar compatible. It will be interesting to compare them.
John
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Post by assisi on May 30, 2023 11:48:35 GMT
Initially I had a 1mt Finisar AOC Cisco compatible. I liked the outcome. Then I ordered a genuine Cisco 1mt AOC as suggested above. It was noticeably better than the compatible. Does any one have any comments as to why the genuine is better than the compatible? I asked this question on another forum and did not receive a response. I am curious. John
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Post by Clive on May 30, 2023 11:54:09 GMT
I’d guess it’s down to the quality of the SFP modules, less jitter, possibly fewer spikes from the lasers (?) finding their way back into the electronics.
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Post by MartinT on May 30, 2023 12:32:54 GMT
With both SFPs and AOCs, the compatibles are all about making the specification with nothing to spare at the lowest possible cost.
The branded products are made at a higher quality and sell at a premium price.
I doubt that either Finisar or Cisco are even aware of, let alone give a rat's arse about, the tiny number selling into audio applications. For us it's pot luck as to which products work best. So far, for me, the genuine HP, Finisar and Cisco products sound the best.
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Post by MikeMusic on May 30, 2023 14:10:09 GMT
I bet there's a pile of them sitting in a skip (or dumpster) right now
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