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Post by mattspl on Jun 30, 2024 19:18:55 GMT
This is an interesting idea that sounds worth looking into.
Is there any particular spec for the ferrite clamps/beads?
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Post by stellabagpuss on Jun 30, 2024 19:43:23 GMT
This is an interesting idea that sounds worth looking into. Is there any particular spec for the ferrite clamps/beads? lt's all in the link Matt. But the condensed version... 1 x Large Ferrite Ring, 61mmm diameter 5 x Cable Ferrite Clamps LAN Cable of choice at least 1 metre long. Wrap LAN around Large ring 8 times. 3 Ferrite clamps one end 2 the other end. |
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Post by mattspl on Jun 30, 2024 19:49:04 GMT
Thanks Damien,
More things to try 😂
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Post by atoz on Jun 30, 2024 20:38:53 GMT
Thanks for the rundown on this Damien and a smart move to rewire the throttle with the Ugreen.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Jul 7, 2024 12:57:31 GMT
So now the weekend is here, first thing... Make a Throttle Cable between switch and Server. Sadly it worked, but sucked the air and high frequencies out of the music, typical sound thar ferrite clamps are known for, it was more experimental really as it sounded excellent, with the Throttle Cable in place at the end of the Gustard R26 running from a FMC that's using a Cisco DAC cable.
Now the million dollar experiment, totally ditch FMC and there low powered LPS, and run a CAT 7 sheilded cable direct from switch,l must add this is a ridiculously long lead 10 metres, l would normally run 3 metres.
l then followed Vic method, eight turns around the large ferrite ring, three ferrite clamps before large ring, and two after, then straight into my Gustard R26 LAN port.
I really had a big apprehension trying this, and personally, it a bitter sweet moment.... So l power down the FMC, and plug the long Throttle Cable..... err this sounds the same, imaging, separation low noise.Just to check l wasn't going crazy
l then removed the ferrite clamps and ring, and was met with a harsher sound, simply, without the Throttle mod, using the LAN cable was no match to the FMC.
However with the Throttle Mod,and just using a LAN cable it matched the sound quality FMC. After much comparisons, and takeaway, the FMC and a slightly more impact on FMC... And this is very slight, and two factors could attribute to this.. the cable isn't mu preferred Ugreen cable and the 10 metre length.
lt's looking like l will be returning to LAN, Once my 3 meter Ugreen arrives, thar could be it for FMC.
So why hadn't l noticed this before? l think it goes back to me using one switch, and then trying FMC and being wowed by the outcome. Then l discovered daisy chaining my Netgear GS108E, using three units, improved things again.
l have to thank Vic for this discovery.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 7, 2024 13:48:08 GMT
I went off ferrite chokes a while ago and have none left in my system.
However, they are good for suppressing electrical gear around the house and are liberally sprinkled there.
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Post by John on Jul 7, 2024 14:30:25 GMT
If it keeps the box count low without robbing the sound I am all for this. Like Martin I have not used ferrite chokes for a good few years.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Jul 7, 2024 14:40:54 GMT
I went off ferrite chokes a while ago and have none left in my system. However, they are good for suppressing electrical gear around the house and are liberally sprinkled there. l totally agree with Martin and John, l only have Ferrite kicking around due to my Radio Listening days, and your quite correct, they suck the life out of things, like a bad Dolby Noise Reduction 🤣, and that's exactly what happened at my server end. But at the streamer end it brings a LAN up to the level of running FMC. I am still running FMC at the server end, what a crazy journey l've been on. |
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Post by mattspl on Jul 7, 2024 17:40:09 GMT
You’re certainly giving it a thorough testing Damien. When is the Ugreen due?
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Post by stellabagpuss on Jul 7, 2024 18:40:18 GMT
You’re certainly giving it a thorough testing Damien. When is the Ugreen due? On it's way, l guess what getting at me, as l've read comments about people going back to LAN. All l can be in honest from my end, l don't intend to ruffle people's feelings, l'm just being honest with my feelings, and that's beauty of TAS.... Imagine that being on ASR.... Sorry.. where is the measurements for your feelings 🤣 |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 7, 2024 18:46:07 GMT
Who'd have thought we'd be extolling the virtues of different ethernet and DAC cables? Truly the digital age of music reproduction.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Jul 7, 2024 19:02:56 GMT
Who'd have thought we'd be extolling the virtues of different ethernet and DAC cables? Truly the digital age of music reproduction. So true Martin... We are in a golden age for digital audio and we are all still discovering. I have to thank you and everyone for making TAS a great place to have freedom of speech,that's in Hi Fi terms... |
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Post by MartinT on Jul 7, 2024 20:14:07 GMT
I have to thank you and everyone for making TAS a great place to have freedom of speech,that's in Hi Fi terms... Thank you, Damien, and other members for helping us all push forwards with our systems. Open minds and willingness to experiment win the day. |
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Post by Clive on Jul 8, 2024 7:37:42 GMT
You’re certainly giving it a thorough testing Damien. When is the Ugreen due? On it's way, l guess what getting at me, as l've read comments about people going back to LAN. All l can be in honest from my end, l don't intend to ruffle people's feelings, l'm just being honest with my feelings, and that's beauty of TAS.... Imagine that being on ASR.... Sorry.. where is the measurements for your feelings 🤣 It’ll be interesting to find out whether a relatively loosely wound stiffer Ugreen CAT8 sounds better than a tightly wound CAT5. Something like this:   |
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Post by stellabagpuss on Jul 8, 2024 15:07:08 GMT
At my end, and have tried both. The Ugreen is better, it retains the same attributes,but with more precision and focus with the Throttle Cable.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Jul 8, 2024 16:53:35 GMT
Today has been another good day. My modding buddies Matt and atoz have been two or three weeks ahead of me, modding there Cisco 2960 switches, and although l have been sat on 3 switches, l've been patiently waiting for caps and sockets to arrive.
Now l currently run 3 x Netgear GS108E switches,daisy chained from 12v Zero Zone supercaps.I have been very happy,as they are a good budget switch that measures low, and are cheap, and added 3 really does tranform things.
I fell lucky on 3 Cisco 2960 switches, and was really curious to see if they lived up to the Hype. What l can say, the Cisco switch in stock format is a major disappointment,not a surprise, as it has a big SMPS inside... a noise pit, and even daisy chaining 3 of the units gave a rather grey ,cold vague sound.
This morning, l modded each of the Cisco 2960 unit,following Matts instructions,totally ditched the on board PSU, and simply place a DC socket at the rear,so they can be powered by the Zero Zones.
Move other Netgear... I am happy to report that this is some transformation, definitely a lowering of the noise floor, and an improvement in all departments, more air and decay around everything.
I highly recommend this Cisco 2960 mod, don't get me wrong, the Netgear GS108E is still a good budget switch,it's clean, it's just that the Cisco 2960 is better, once modded, and is more expensive on the used market than the GS108E, and you need soldering skills, but what l can say... lf you have the skills give Matts mod a try.
The only downside I can find is the power up sequence of the Cisco, they take about 5 minutes to connect to the network, but just like a good pint of Guinness... You have to let it stand 🤣
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Post by atoz on Jul 8, 2024 17:33:37 GMT
What a nice couple of days you've had modding your system Damien,you probably didn't expect to have got so many positives from it.
It is amazing what a few mods here and there can do to lift the sound from an already nice system.
Well done
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Post by mattspl on Jul 8, 2024 17:58:27 GMT
Great result Damien, although I can’t take credit for the mod as I borrowed the ideas from various places online.
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Post by stellabagpuss on Jul 8, 2024 18:25:14 GMT
Great result Damien, although I can’t take credit for the mod as I borrowed the ideas from various places online. Take the praise Matt, we all guilty of reading and sharing information, but there are plenty of people who talk a good talk,but you are a man of action, and that's what counts... Actions over Words. |
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Post by stellabagpuss on Jul 21, 2024 14:46:28 GMT
Well can't believe that so much time has passed, and isn't it funny, although l shouldn't be surprised, traffic and posts has reduced over July, what with all of us grabbing the little bits of summer when they arrive, and all the sports going on, and of course our leader Supreme Comordore Commander MartinT being away.. it's been a bit staggered. So update, having modding the 3 Cisco 2960 l had a taste of be careful of what you wish for... In a nutshell used with the Throttle Cable on my 3m Ugreen CAT 8 gaming cable, detail dynamics and resolution was really off the scales.  Modded Cisco 2960 by Damien Read, on Flickr However, l was noticing a slight siblance on vocals, so l lived with it for a few days, and my dilemma was... the positives really outweigh any negatives. lt was during a walk in the park with the wife and trustee Watty our new dog 🐕 l remembered that Tobias had commented that he placed Ferrite clamps on different cables, nothing OTT, just to reduce any noise. I recently tried the Throttle Cable on my server end, on the 0.5m Cable that goes into my FMC unit, the result was a major fail... lt totally sucked any life out of the sound. l really have to thank our TAS Swedish friend Tobias, and the fact l absorbed to much useless information, but in this case.. it was vital. The solution was really simple one, add a single Ferrite clamps on the LAN cable from Server to FMC, and then another one that's on the end of my new 15m Ugreen CAT cable, about 1.5m before it hits the second Cisco. As usual l have to thank the great community of members we have on TAS,between atoz, Matt and myself,and behind the background, we pushed our systems way beyond our expectations. Now CAT out of the bag, and using my favourite TAS phrase... l've done a MartinT again... 🤣 Couldn't help it, l have a Gustard N18Pro on it's way.... Interesting times ahead for sure |
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