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Post by ajski2fly on May 8, 2023 9:53:40 GMT
Madness Once something like that is in place it must stay Problem was the set up and thoughts behind it all Another reason to push hybrids while the chargers roll out happens No, hybrid cars are not a solution at all! They are poor in terms of being green and in fact are inefficient, the only time they start to be a reasonable option if used on short journeys in towns when on battery, as soon as the petrol engine cuts in then the become dirty and inefficient, the extra battery and Electric drive train weight implicitly makes them so. A real world example is a very good friend who is waiting for his Hyundai Ioniq 5 to be repaired has a nearly new BMW BMW 225xe ACTIVE TOURER PLUG-IN HYBRID on loan, he struggles to get 32mpg out of it, the supposed WLTP range of the battery is 57 miles, he has never achieve more that 35 miles. From a full tank of fuel has has yet to get more than 300 miles out of it before the warning light comes on. He has found onboard regeneration is virtually non-existent and it takes 8 hours to charge up on a 13 amp plug and 2.5 hours on a EV home car charger, so pretty poor. By the way he is not a lunatic driver, he is 65 and die within speed limit and is not right foot heavy.
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Post by MartinT on May 8, 2023 10:19:53 GMT
LOL, if that's the best that a hybrid can do.
My supercharged, tuned BRZ achieves 33.6mpg. No hybrid gubbins, no batteries, just good old fashioned tech.
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Post by MikeMusic on May 8, 2023 13:57:19 GMT
Madness Once something like that is in place it must stay Problem was the set up and thoughts behind it all Another reason to push hybrids while the chargers roll out happens No, hybrid cars are not a solution at all! They are poor in terms of being green and in fact are inefficient, the only time they start to be a reasonable option if used on short journeys in towns when on battery, as soon as the petrol engine cuts in then the become dirty and inefficient, the extra battery and Electric drive train weight implicitly makes them so. A real world example is a very good friend who is waiting for his Hyundai Ioniq 5 to be repaired has a nearly new BMW BMW 225xe ACTIVE TOURER PLUG-IN HYBRID on loan, he struggles to get 32mpg out of it, the supposed WLTP range of the battery is 57 miles, he has never achieve more that 35 miles. From a full tank of fuel has has yet to get more than 300 miles out of it before the warning light comes on. He has found onboard regeneration is virtually non-existent and it takes 8 hours to charge up on a 13 amp plug and 2.5 hours on a EV home car charger, so pretty poor. By the way he is not a lunatic driver, he is 65 and die within speed limit and is not right foot heavy. Hybrid in general to fill the gap before the electrical structure is in place before all cars are electric The deadline for all new cars to be electric cannot happen in the UK
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Post by ajski2fly on May 8, 2023 14:23:31 GMT
No, hybrid cars are not a solution at all! They are poor in terms of being green and in fact are inefficient, the only time they start to be a reasonable option if used on short journeys in towns when on battery, as soon as the petrol engine cuts in then the become dirty and inefficient, the extra battery and Electric drive train weight implicitly makes them so. A real world example is a very good friend who is waiting for his Hyundai Ioniq 5 to be repaired has a nearly new BMW BMW 225xe ACTIVE TOURER PLUG-IN HYBRID on loan, he struggles to get 32mpg out of it, the supposed WLTP range of the battery is 57 miles, he has never achieve more that 35 miles. From a full tank of fuel has has yet to get more than 300 miles out of it before the warning light comes on. He has found onboard regeneration is virtually non-existent and it takes 8 hours to charge up on a 13 amp plug and 2.5 hours on a EV home car charger, so pretty poor. By the way he is not a lunatic driver, he is 65 and die within speed limit and is not right foot heavy. Hybrid in general to fill the gap before the electrical structure is in place before all cars are electric The deadline for all new cars to be electric cannot happen in the UK On what basis do you make that statement? There are 7 more years for lots of infrastructure to be set up. I suggest you have a read of assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1065576/taking-charge-the-electric-vehicle-infrastructure-strategy.pdf Tesla are also committed to tripling their number of chargers(all 50Kw minimum) by end of 2025 and have been in consultation with the government to speed this process up. Tesla have already opened up 15 strategically selected charging sites in the UK for non-Tesla EV owners to use, and as other EV Charging sites come on-stream Tesla have stated they will make more available to non Tesla owners, ultimately all of them. In 2022 Tesla had installed over 1000 Superchargers in the UK and Ireland, and these can be found at over 100 locations. more info at www.carmagazine.co.uk/electric/charging-network/tesla-supercharger/
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Post by nicholas on May 8, 2023 14:23:40 GMT
Never allow for reality or the laws of physics to interfere with the expediency of political ideology.
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Post by MikeMusic on May 8, 2023 16:03:27 GMT
7 years will pass. The system won't be ready. The deadline will be pushed back IMO I'd love to be very wrong
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Post by ajski2fly on May 8, 2023 16:33:18 GMT
7 years will pass. The system won't be ready. The deadline will be pushed back IMO I'd love to be very wrong OK Mike just for you, I would suggest you explore Zap-Map
Below are some screen shots I took 5 minutes ago, just showing 50Kw to 350Kw chargers that currently exist in the UK and Ireland, it is and will happen whether you believe it or not. If you go onto Zap-Map and Zoom into the map you will see there are lots of them already, and this will increase hugely over the next 3 years.
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Post by daytona600 on May 8, 2023 17:57:37 GMT
LOL, if that's the best that a hybrid can do. My supercharged, tuned BRZ achieves 33.6mpg. No hybrid gubbins, no batteries, just good old fashioned tech. Hybrid bike 70/80kms on a Full English
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Post by MikeMusic on May 8, 2023 19:22:51 GMT
Very happy to be wrong
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Post by rfan8312 on May 9, 2023 6:15:45 GMT
7 years will pass. The system won't be ready. The deadline will be pushed back IMO I'd love to be very wrong OK Mike just for you, I would suggest you explore Zap-Map
Below are some screen shots I took 5 minutes ago, just showing 50Kw to 350Kw chargers that currently exist in the UK and Ireland, it is and will happen whether you believe it or not. If you go onto Zap-Map and Zoom into the map you will see there are lots of them already, and this will increase hugely over the next 3 years. Oh ok I thought that was a map of pubs in the UK. Now I see it's zapmap.
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Post by Mr Whippy on May 11, 2023 17:53:34 GMT
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Post by MartinT on May 11, 2023 19:05:48 GMT
At last, a bit of styling in an electric car. Why do they all have to be so ugly?
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Post by ajski2fly on May 11, 2023 20:08:14 GMT
Thousands of electric car chargers pulled from UK roads after energy price surgeThousands of free electric car chargers have been pulled from Britain's roads over the past year as soaring energy costs make them unaffordable to offer. The number of chargers offering free electricity has fallen from 5,715 a year ago to 3,568, a drop of almost 40pc. They now make up less than one in 10 public chargers on Britain’s roads, compared to one in five a year ago. The drop in free top-up charging spots is the latest blow to the Government’s ambitions to attract motorists to electric cars by making it cheap and convenient to charge them away from home. The figures, from Zap-Map, which monitors installations across the UK and is used by the Government to publish official data on charging points, come as concerns about the price of owning an electric vehicle threaten to slow their adoption. It said the 3,568 free chargers in late April compared to 3,961 four months earlier. A year ago, the company said 5,715 free chargers were available. Free charging points were installed by supermarkets and car park operators as a way to attract owners of battery-powered vehicles, but wholesale electricity prices spiked last year amid concerns about energy security following Russia's invasion of Ukraine. While prices have come down, they remain more than double what they were two years ago. Tesco stopped offering free electric car charging to shoppers in November. The supermarket was the UK’s biggest provider of free points, having introduced them to hundreds of car parks since 2019. The Irish electricity network ESB began requiring payment for more than 300 previously free charging points in Northern Ireland at the end of April. Melanie Shufflebotham, Zap Map’s co-founder and chief operating officer, said: “ Free charging has been more common as an incentive for locations like supermarkets and car parks to draw in customers. But as electric vehicles become mainstream it’s quite reasonable that it is in decline - you would never expect to fill up your petrol car for free while you do your shopping. “ Rising electricity costs have led to a clear decrease recently, but with more than 3,500 across the country, smart EV drivers still have plenty of opportunity to top up at no cost. “ We will continue to see lots more chargers and many may still be free as some destinations look to encourage green travel, but the percentage is likely to be low. Meanwhile charging either at home or on the public networks will continue to be more affordable on a pence per mile basis than petrol or diesel.” The decline of free chargers comes as electric vehicle owners pay more to charge their cars, meaning that it takes longer to recoup the costs of switching from petrol-powered vehicles. According to the RAC, the cost of charging an electric car using a rapid charger has climbed from £22.81 in May 2022 to £35.43 in April this year. Official figures show that there were 40,150 public vehicle chargers in the UK at the start of April, 9,860 more than a year ago. The Government has said it plans to have 300,000 in the UK by 2030, in time for a ban on sales of new petrol and diesel cars, but critics have said that at current rates it will miss its target by 20 years. SOURCE Pointless, would any one expect to buy a car and get Free fuel, I think not. No one buying a BEV in there right mind expects not to have to pay for electricity. Why not go and ask the hydrocarbon fuel producers and ask them to give you free petrol and diesel to promote ICE cars, I think they would tell you where to go.
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Post by speedysteve on May 11, 2023 20:30:42 GMT
At last, a bit of styling in an electric car. Why do they all have to be so ugly? Guy in that vid looks like he's had a jolt or two🙂
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Post by ajski2fly on May 12, 2023 7:06:55 GMT
I want a MG Cyberstar, I’ve put my order in for my 65th Birthday, I know I’m worth it. 😂
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Post by ajski2fly on May 12, 2023 7:28:36 GMT
You want a nice looking EV and a super car, then watch this, also interesting info
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Post by Mr Whippy on May 12, 2023 12:23:11 GMT
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Post by ajski2fly on May 26, 2023 13:24:00 GMT
On the fence,dont believe EVs are the way forward, then here are two videos you need to watch!!
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Post by Slinger on Jun 3, 2023 21:31:40 GMT
I've highlighted one section of the article below, which I think is an interesting point of view. I love electric vehicles – and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel dupedRowan AtkinsonElectric motoring is, in theory, a subject about which I should know something. My first university degree was in electrical and electronic engineering, with a subsequent master’s in control systems. Combine this, perhaps surprising, academic pathway with a lifelong passion for the motorcar, and you can see why I was drawn into an early adoption of electric vehicles. I bought my first electric hybrid 18 years ago and my first pure electric car nine years ago and (notwithstanding our poor electric charging infrastructure) have enjoyed my time with both very much. Electric vehicles may be a bit soulless, but they’re wonderful mechanisms: fast, quiet and, until recently, very cheap to run. But increasingly, I feel a little duped. When you start to drill into the facts, electric motoring doesn’t seem to be quite the environmental panacea it is claimed to be. As you may know, the government has proposed a ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel cars from 2030. The problem with the initiative is that it seems to be based on conclusions drawn from only one part of a car’s operating life: what comes out of the exhaust pipe. Electric cars, of course, have zero exhaust emissions, which is a welcome development, particularly in respect of the air quality in city centres. But if you zoom out a bit and look at a bigger picture that includes the car’s manufacture, the situation is very different. In advance of the Cop26 climate conference in Glasgow in 2021, Volvo released figures claiming that greenhouse gas emissions during production of an electric car are 70% higher than when manufacturing a petrol one. How so? The problem lies with the lithium-ion batteries fitted currently to nearly all-electric vehicles: they’re absurdly heavy, many rare earth metals and huge amounts of energy are required to make them, and they only last about 10 years. It seems a perverse choice of hardware with which to lead the automobile’s fight against the climate crisis. Unsurprisingly, a lot of effort is going into finding something better. New, so-called solid-state batteries are being developed that should charge more quickly and could be about a third of the weight of the current ones – but they are years away from being on sale, by which time, of course, we will have made millions of overweight electric cars with rapidly obsolescing batteries. Hydrogen is emerging as an interesting alternative fuel, even though we are slow in developing a truly “green” way of manufacturing it. It can be used in one of two ways. It can power a hydrogen fuel cell (essentially, a kind of battery); the car manufacturer Toyota has poured a lot of money into the development of these. Such a system weighs half of an equivalent lithium-ion battery and a car can be refuelled with hydrogen at a filling station as fast as with petrol. If the lithium-ion battery is an imperfect device for electric cars, it’s a complete non-starter for trucks because of its weight; for such vehicles, hydrogen can be injected directly into a new kind of piston engine. JCB, the company that makes yellow diggers, has made huge strides with hydrogen engines and hopes to put them into production in the next couple of years. If hydrogen wins the race to power trucks – and as a result every filling station stocks it – it could be a popular and accessible choice for cars. A Volvo hybrid car undergoes emissions tests for the campaign group Transport & Environment in 2021. Photograph: Emissions Analytics/ReutersBut let’s zoom out even further and consider the whole life cycle of an automobile. We need also to acknowledge what a great asset we have in the cars that currently exist (there are nearly 1.5bn of them worldwide). In terms of manufacture, these cars have paid their environmental dues and, although it is sensible to reduce our reliance on them, it would seem right to look carefully at ways of retaining them while lowering their polluting effect. Fairly obviously, we could use them less. As an environmentalist once said to me, if you really need a car, buy an old one and use it as little as possible. A sensible thing to do would be to speed up the development of synthetic fuel, which is already being used in motor racing; it’s a product based on two simple notions: one, the environmental problem with a petrol engine is the petrol, not the engine and, two, there’s nothing in a barrel of oil that can’t be replicated by other means. Formula One is going to use synthetic fuel from 2026. There are many interpretations of the idea but the German car company Porsche is developing a fuel in Chile using wind to power a process whose main ingredients are water and carbon dioxide. With more development, it should be usable in all petrol-engine cars, rendering their use virtually CO2-neutral. Increasingly, I’m feeling that our honeymoon with electric cars is coming to an end, and that’s no bad thing: we’re realising that a wider range of options needs to be explored if we’re going to properly address the very serious environmental problems that our use of the motor car has created. We should keep developing hydrogen, as well as synthetic fuels to save the scrapping of older cars which still have so much to give, while simultaneously promoting a quite different business model for the car industry, in which we keep our new vehicles for longer, acknowledging their amazing but overlooked longevity. Friends with an environmental conscience often ask me, as a car person, whether they should buy an electric car. I tend to say that if their car is an old diesel and they do a lot of city centre motoring, they should consider a change. But otherwise, hold fire for now. Electric propulsion will be of real, global environmental benefit one day, but that day has yet to dawn. Rowan Atkinson is an actor, comedian and writer SOURCE
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Post by ajski2fly on Jun 4, 2023 6:53:55 GMT
The highlighted paragraph does make a valid point, consumerism and throw away society in relation to cars is bad. But it is likely the ownership of cars in the future, as society changes, will change with a shift to hiring, share ownership and taxis, it may seem far fetched but will driven by cost of ownership and legislation.
As for the rest of the article there are some very incorrect statements. The so called ECO fuel spouted by Porsche is really not that, it is effectively a bio fuel, which not only generates hydrogen when made but also methane(lovely stuff), and guess what when you burn it you make Carbon Dioxide, burn stuff and you create CO2.
The lorry argument is actually already being proved wrong, a large Australian company near Brisbane has very big electric lorries which are used every day of the year and run off batteries, the factory captures solar and stores electricity and that runs the plant and the lorries. Overall they have made huge cost savings and the infrastructure will be paid for within 5 years. There are similar projects in USA and elsewhere.
With respect to Hydrogen use in vehicles, it is very costly to make, and energy hungry, the only sensible method is from splitting water passing electricity through it, and to keep the process clean you need very large amounts of electricity from solar, wind or possibly nuclear. The volumes needed to power a world of hydrogen vehicles preclude this.
As for the old weight argument about batteries in electric vehicles compared to ICE ones, for example this is rubbish take the weight of a Tesla Y (1995kg) and compare with a Audi q7 ice (2275kg). If you compare many similar physical sized cars you will find the same, you may also notice that quite a few ICE vehicle manufacturers no longer publish the curb weight of ICE cars in easy to access specs, I wonder why that is?
Mr Atkinson may have owned an electric car for some time, but people need to remember he is also a hardened petrolhead with quite a collection of expensive ICE cars, participates in track days and often goes to motor racing events. So his article needs to be considered carefully in that context. Smoke and mirrors comes to mind!
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