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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 5, 2023 14:39:14 GMT
Insulation, as you say, plus draught proofing of course
New build : Fit heat pump, could be a no brainer
Existing build : Heat pump is only part of the answer and likely to be wrong unless... Draught proofing, insulation up to today's standards Replace all the pipework as too thin. Replace some or all of the rads, unless over specced before
Heat pumps being sold as *the* answer is wrong
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Post by ajski2fly on Apr 5, 2023 15:16:56 GMT
Insulation, as you say, plus draught proofing of course New build : Fit heat pump, could be a no brainer Existing build : Heat pump is only part of the answer and likely to be wrong unless... Draught proofing, insulation up to today's standards Replace all the pipework as too thin. Replace some or all of the rads, unless over specced before Heat pumps being sold as *the* answer is wrong Replace all pipework as too thin. What is the significance of this,? As long as any exposed pipework in roof or outside is properly insulated to stop heat losses to meet the low level temperature experience in the are then it is fine. If you are referring to ol pipe work worn this as it is in flooring then it may need to be replaced if nearing the end of its life. Heat Pumps as far as I am aware cannot be just sold as "the" answer, I believe they have to be fitted by MCS approved fitters, and the rules to do so are quite stringent, this means full house evaluation, room by room to establish what is needed. I suppose a rogue plumber could just come along and just fit one, but if a homeowner did that it would be plan silly. Heat Pumps are at the moment areput forward as a possible answer to get people off of Oil and Gas which is the main goal as part of cleaning up our act. It will not be right for all, it is not a one size fits all solution, only where appropriate and when assessed and implemented correctly. There is also a lot of rubbish said about heat pumps, primarily from plumbers and gas fitters who see it as a threat to them nice replacing boilers and heating systems and quickly and easily and getting a nice earner from it. I know I have one over the road who hates them, even though he knows my yearly power usage is 50% less than his, and his bills are way higher(ignoring our Solar and Batteries). There are several Council initiatives up North where they took blocks of flats that were costing the residents a fortune to heat and have hot water. They sunk latrge Ground Source heat pumps in the ground outside that flats, and then installed thermal stores in each house, highly insulated water tanks(with thermal stores) for the heating to use when needed. I cannot remember everything else that was done, but it was not OTT, the result was they halved the residents bills.
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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 5, 2023 15:52:36 GMT
Pipes normally need to be greater diameter to allow the water to supply the heat as at lower temps
Didn't take notes but think it was if 15mm diameter change to 25mm
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Post by ajski2fly on Apr 5, 2023 16:08:08 GMT
Pipes normally need to be greater diameter to allow the water to supply the heat as at lower temps Didn't take notes but think it was if 15mm diameter change to 25mm The pipes to and from the heat pump need to be 25mm, to get the correct level of flow, and I think this is often the case with Oil and Gas boilers, certainly my parents Oil boiler had 25mm pipes initially. In most well designed central heating systems it is recommended to use 25mm pipes on long runs say in the loft or under floors that then feed radiators, not just in heat pump installations. Unfortunately builders and plumbers often shy away from this primarily to save on costs and because installing smaller pipes makes life easier, but not necessarily better fo the one, it will mean the system if less efficient and thus more costly to run in the long term. As I said plumbers come up with all sorts of rubbish about why ASHPs are not good, not all true!
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Post by ajski2fly on Apr 7, 2023 14:10:09 GMT
An interesting 15 mins form Fully Charged Show in Australia
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Post by ajski2fly on Apr 28, 2023 12:30:58 GMT
Want to ride a Dolphin. Build your Dreams
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Post by ajski2fly on Apr 28, 2023 12:42:16 GMT
or perhaps a Lightning Cat floats your boat.....
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Post by user211 on Apr 29, 2023 8:23:44 GMT
My sister is selling her Taycan. It kept going wrong. Trading it in with her Cayenne for a new Macan. She also has an electric Fiat 500.
She had a petrol Fiat 500 for years. In central London it's a car that works. She drove it more than the Taycan.
After driving her Taycan, while fast in a straight line, it simply doesn't handle as well as the mid engine Porsche's without any shadow of a doubt, as I own one and have driven many. It's just too freakin heavy.
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Post by speedysteve on Apr 29, 2023 12:00:43 GMT
Hehe, the antithesis of a Caterham superlight R500🙂 They are not that practical in London either, although The Prisoner did okay with his Series II😂
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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 29, 2023 15:07:48 GMT
I'm coming around to the idea of
Hybrid
Mostly because I cannot see anywhere near the infrastructure we need for charging points in all the places we need them by the deadline
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Post by MartinT on Apr 29, 2023 17:23:17 GMT
Had one, very good to drive as the electric thrust came in to supplement the engine when you needed it (Honda system). Not so keen on the Toyota system of electric-first, but it problably gives even better economy.
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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 29, 2023 20:58:05 GMT
Had one, very good to drive as the electric thrust came in to supplement the engine when you needed it (Honda system). Not so keen on the Toyota system of electric-first, but it problably gives even better economy. Most impressed with the Yaris we had for a few days Slightly bigger car, more comfortable and more oomph would do it
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Post by user211 on May 2, 2023 19:55:34 GMT
Hehe, the antithesis of a Caterham superlight R500🙂 They are not that practical in London either, although The Prisoner did okay with his Series II😂 I had a mate with a Caterham. What a blast it was. Love being able to see the front wheels as you drive. Allows for perfect placement literally a couple of inches from the curb around corners. Fresh air in abundance. Exhilaration a plenty. Comfort? None. Blast factor? Extremely high. Long distance ability? Unendurable. Worse than a Lotus Elise. On a track day I did once I drove an Aston and a Ferrari. Then a pro took me round the track in an Elise. That was a lot more fun. And it would have been if I was driving it. If you wanna go fast and be exhilarated on a track, you have to understand you need the right design parameters. Much lower cost designs can easily give you better results than high cost designer brands. That said, you basically need the right design parameters for the track you are actually racing on to win. And some ability.
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Post by MartinT on May 2, 2023 20:51:24 GMT
I drove with a mate in a Caterham through France into Belgium. It's a great blast, as you say, raw driving at its best.
You're right about comfort. When it rains, it's such a pain putting the lid up that you end up not bothering. Just drive faster.
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Post by speedysteve on May 3, 2023 8:38:13 GMT
Drove there. Epic track day, drove home. 2 nights in a tent. 1st day was wet in the morning. By the afternoon it was glorious and grip levels were great! Others not so lucky This wasn't him, but my pal binned it on the start/finish straight in the first 10 minutes of running that morning. The safety car had just come in.. It was that wet, rivers running across. He lost the back end, barrier... 2 corners done in. Had to drive home alone, his 7 was another trip to recover. That was pretty much my last big hurrah! After racing, everything else in a car / 7 was "just waiting"🙂 Full race trim 2003. Slicks, straight cut box, tricked up big VX XE, Jenvey throttle bodies, through the bonnet freeflow exhaust, LSD. CF bits where possible. Full race seat in CF weighed 1.8kgs! Battling away. If my early days were now, I'd be thinking electric 7 conversion!
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Post by ajski2fly on May 4, 2023 16:08:50 GMT
Getting back to EVs and the thread. Sue and I went to the Fully Charged Show held at Farnborough International Show Ground last Saturday. It is the first time we have been to such an event so we looking forward to the day. There were quite a number of first time seen EVs at the show, and BYD(Build Your Dreams) and ORA both from China had stands and cars at the show. Interestingly Audi, Jaguar Land Rover, Mercedes, BMW, Mini, Porsche, Renault, VW, and Volvo all declined to participate. I suspect that this may be because several of them have recently have been sighted as being behind the curve in terms of getting to grips with what the punter wants from an EV, and producing good EV products that are VFM. Although the Audi E-Tron looks hopeful if you can afford one, and the various Porsche EVs give some hope, but it is rumoured that they are not selling as many as hoped. Anyway there were a great deal of other EV manufacturers at the show. What was at the show in terms of EVs was generally pretty good and quite varied. Sue was rather taken by the Abarth-E in a nice shade of bright green, so much so she wants to book a test drive. Part of the reason for attending is our 20 year old run-around Honda Jazz is approaching the great scrap yard in the sky and Sue wants small-medium practical EV next time. She also thought the BYD Dolphin was good with a reasonable range of 270 miles around £35K. The ORA Funk Cat is striking to look at and has a strange feeling of being a 50's show back with a modern twist, it will be around £32.5k with 300 mile range I believe. She really liked the Genesis G60, but with them starting at £53K this is not going to happen, it does feel and look like a luxury car though. In the main exhibition hall we were told there were over 200 exhibitors, this ranged from large companies like Shell Recharge, Octopus, E-On, to very small ones showing newly developed EV charges. There were exhibitors offering Solar, Heat Batteries, Air Source Heat Pumps and various Green solutions for both domestic and commercial. It did feel like we had entered EV Charger Gold Rush city as it seemed every other stand was offering an EV charger, some were very innovative designs that disappeared into the ground when not in use to be put in pavements in cities where people had dedicated parking bays, alternatively could be set up for multi-user usage. There was even a couple of over head chargers designed to be attached to lamp posts. So quite a bit of thinking outside the box to offer EV charging solutions. As can be seen below there were a couple of stands with EV Police cars, the two marked cars are a KIA EV6 and Tesla M3, these are genuine police vehicles in use everyday, also on display were two unmarked EV Police cars. I chatted with a Police Officer that drive them, he said that once they had adapted to planning their day and got their heads around charging them the EVs to be very good. He also said the public were very likely to see more police officers sat in them working on laptops, this created more of a police presence, they could be immediately on call and can also do their paper work on the laptops in between calls. Apparently all the British Transport Police fleet of cars will be EVS within a year, he said the cost savings were a major driver for this, plus the technology of the cars was an added benefit. It was a interesting and fun day out with lots to see and do. There is another show in the UK in the North on Yorkshire Events Centre in Harrogate on 19th, 20th & 21st May 2023 if you are interested in a day out, EVs and other Green stuff. fullycharged.show/events/fully-charged-live-uk-north-2023/ Here is the South Show programme if you are interested in the North event and want to see what may be on offer. fullycharged.show/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Fully-charged-live-uk-south-2023-show-leaflet-21-4-23.pdfAn interesting and rather beautiful first time car is the AEHRA below, very striking and futuristic, it is Italian and will be marketed as a luxury sophisticated car which will use the best of available EV technology. It is supposed to be available early 2025, I believe the car at the show is a working prototype which is nearing final development prior to setting up a production line. By the way the doors are hinge wing doors that go up.
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Post by MartinT on May 4, 2023 16:53:09 GMT
Interesting comments about BMW. I was reading that the electric Mini is an appalling implementation with very poor range. The i3 is hideous for no apparent good reason. The i8 is gorgeous and, being a hybrid, appeals to me. The German companies haven't done very well so far except perhaps VW, I'm seeing a lot of them all of a sudden.
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Post by ajski2fly on May 4, 2023 19:52:36 GMT
Interesting comments about BMW. I was reading that the electric Mini is an appalling implementation with very poor range. The i3 is hideous for no apparent good reason. The i8 is gorgeous and, being a hybrid, appeals to me. The German companies haven't done very well so far except perhaps VW, I'm seeing a lot of them all of a sudden. Its odd BMW seemed to be ahead of the others in EU but somewhere lost its way, I think the issue for quite a few has been the older board room executives fighting to keep ICE vehicles as they just do not believe their end is nigh. VW CEO had a big row with his board about 2 years ago and forced a vote, he won those that voted against him were sacked on the spot, result is a full ahead push to electric.
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Post by Slinger on May 7, 2023 20:35:02 GMT
Thousands of electric car chargers pulled from UK roads after energy price surgeThousands of free electric car chargers have been pulled from Britain's roads over the past year as soaring energy costs make them unaffordable to offer. The number of chargers offering free electricity has fallen from 5,715 a year ago to 3,568, a drop of almost 40pc. They now make up less than one in 10 public chargers on Britain’s roads, compared to one in five a year ago. The drop in free top-up charging spots is the latest blow to the Government’s ambitions to attract motorists to electric cars by making it cheap and convenient to charge them away from home. The figures, from Zap-Map, which monitors installations across the UK and is used by the Government to publish official data on charging points, come as concerns about the price of owning an electric vehicle threaten to slow their adoption. It said the 3,568 free chargers in late April compared to 3,961 four months earlier. A year ago, the company said 5,715 free chargers were available. Free charging points were installed by supermarkets and car park operators as a way to attract owners of battery-powered vehicles, but wholesale electricity prices spiked last year amid concerns about energy security following Russia's invasion of Ukraine. While prices have come down, they remain more than double what they were two years ago. Tesco stopped offering free electric car charging to shoppers in November. The supermarket was the UK’s biggest provider of free points, having introduced them to hundreds of car parks since 2019. The Irish electricity network ESB began requiring payment for more than 300 previously free charging points in Northern Ireland at the end of April. Melanie Shufflebotham, Zap Map’s co-founder and chief operating officer, said: “ Free charging has been more common as an incentive for locations like supermarkets and car parks to draw in customers. But as electric vehicles become mainstream it’s quite reasonable that it is in decline - you would never expect to fill up your petrol car for free while you do your shopping. “ Rising electricity costs have led to a clear decrease recently, but with more than 3,500 across the country, smart EV drivers still have plenty of opportunity to top up at no cost. “ We will continue to see lots more chargers and many may still be free as some destinations look to encourage green travel, but the percentage is likely to be low. Meanwhile charging either at home or on the public networks will continue to be more affordable on a pence per mile basis than petrol or diesel.” The decline of free chargers comes as electric vehicle owners pay more to charge their cars, meaning that it takes longer to recoup the costs of switching from petrol-powered vehicles. According to the RAC, the cost of charging an electric car using a rapid charger has climbed from £22.81 in May 2022 to £35.43 in April this year. Official figures show that there were 40,150 public vehicle chargers in the UK at the start of April, 9,860 more than a year ago. The Government has said it plans to have 300,000 in the UK by 2030, in time for a ban on sales of new petrol and diesel cars, but critics have said that at current rates it will miss its target by 20 years. SOURCE
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Post by MikeMusic on May 8, 2023 9:12:34 GMT
Madness Once something like that is in place it must stay
Problem was the set up and thoughts behind it all
Another reason to push hybrids while the chargers roll out happens
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