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Post by speedysteve on May 9, 2022 21:16:42 GMT
Will be like me in my Caterham!😂 They just won't do it near flat. Had to have great respect for that challenge. Some didn't, wall beckoned, long ride home on a flatbed trailer. When a picture is worth a 1000 words. Heading into 'that' sequence. Wet morning - Caterham track day. All road oriented (road legal Yokohama R tyres, standard roll bar, full screen and side screens), as I drove there. By the afternoon it has dried up and was much more fun.
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Post by MartinT on May 21, 2022 13:36:00 GMT
It looks like Mercedes may just have cracked their porpoising problems with the latest mods in Barcelona.
Now for a proper three-way battle!
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Post by speedysteve on May 21, 2022 18:49:49 GMT
Enjoyable qualifying.
Charles pulled that out at the end of Q3.
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Post by MartinT on May 21, 2022 19:00:16 GMT
Charles pulled that out at the end of Q3. He is a tiny bit prone to those spins when under pressure, though. Not as bad as Vettel.
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Post by MartinT on May 22, 2022 20:10:59 GMT
It looks like Mercedes may just have cracked their porpoising problems with the latest mods in Barcelona. They really do seem to have greatly improved. Russell did a brilliant job keeping Verstappen behind him for so long while Hamilton recovered from the back after Magnusson gave him a puncture to come in a creditable 5th - and it would have been 4th if he didn't have to nurse his car over the line at the end. Their pace was strong and let's hope it continues.
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Post by MartinT on May 22, 2022 20:11:52 GMT
Barcelona Result
1 Max Verstappen Red Bull 2 Sergio Perez Red Bull 13.072s 3 George Russell Mercedes 32.927s 4 Carlos Sainz Ferrari 45.208s 5 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 53.632s 6 Valtteri Bottas Alfa Romeo Racing 59.630s 7 Esteban Ocon Alpine 75.145s 8 Lando Norris McLaren 82.328s 9 Fernando Alonso Alpine 1 LAP 10 Yuki Tsunoda AlphaTauri 1 Lap 11 Sebastian Vettel Aston Martin 1 Lap 12 Daniel Ricciardo McLaren 1 Lap 13 Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri 1 Lap 14 Mick Schumacher Haas 1 Lap 15 Lance Stroll Aston Martin 1 Lap 16 Nicholas Latifi Williams 2 Laps 17 Kevin Magnussen Haas 2 Laps 18 Alex Albon Williams 2 Laps
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Post by ant on May 29, 2022 19:42:55 GMT
Monaco! the thills! the spills! the rich people! The overtakes!
Err where were they....... Gasly overtook two cars on much much grippier tyres
That was it.
Yay perez won by going in the pits and changing tyres. Whoopie doo
Waste of my time
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Post by MartinT on May 29, 2022 20:04:45 GMT
It really is a poor F1 circuit ill-suited to the cars now.
Result 1 Sergio Perez Red Bull 1:56:30.265 2 Carlos Sainz Ferrari 1.154s 3 Max Verstappen Red Bull 1.491s 4 Charles Leclerc Ferrari 2.922s 5 George Russell Mercedes 11.968s 6 Lando Norris McLaren 12.231s 7 Fernando Alonso Alpine 46.358s 8 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 50.388s 9 Valtteri Bottas Alfa Romeo Racing 52.525s 10 Sebastian Vettel Aston Martin 53.536s 11 Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri 54.289s 12 Esteban Ocon Alpine 55.644s 13 Daniel Ricciardo McLaren 57.635s 14 Lance Stroll Aston Martin 60.802s 15 Nicholas Latifi Williams 1 lap 16 Guanyu Zhou Alfa Romeo Racing 1 lap 17 Yuki Tsunoda AlphaTauri 1 lap
Did not finish Alex Albon Williams Mick Schumacher Haas – crash Kevin Magnussen Haas – leak
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Post by MartinT on Jun 12, 2022 13:25:26 GMT
Ferrari are throwing away this year's championship.
Result 1 Max Verstappen Red Bull 2 Sergio Perez Red Bull 20.823s 3 George Russell Mercedes 45.995s 4 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 71.679s 5 Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri 77.299s 6 Sebastian Vettel Aston Martin 84.099s 7 Fernando Alonso Alpine 88.596s 8 Daniel Ricciardo McLaren 92.207s 9 Lando Norris McLaren 92.556s 10 Esteban Ocon Alpine 108.184s 11 Valtteri Bottas Alfa Romeo Racing 1 Lap 12 Alex Albon Williams 1 Lap 13 Yuki Tsunoda AlphaTauri 1 Lap 14 Mick Schumacher Haas 1 Lap 15 Nicholas Latifi Williams 1 Lap
Did not finish Lance Stroll – Aston Martin – engine Kevin Magnussen – Haas – engine Zhou Guanyu – Alfa Romeo – engine Charles Leclerc – Ferrari – engine Carlos Sainz – Ferrari – hydraulics
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Post by MartinT on Jun 15, 2022 7:40:40 GMT
I am somewhat astonished at the scale of the porpoising issues being experienced by various teams and drivers and the approbation being received by the likes of Lewis Hamilton. It cannot be a comfortable car for drivers to grapple with, seen especially at the recent Baku long straight, where I can believe Hamilton who claimed that he had to lift towards the end of the straight, such was the risk of having an accident.
This cannot go on, a driver sooner or later is going to get a back (or brain) injury that will end their career.
Goodness knows how they can survive up to two hours of this...
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Post by MartinT on Jun 15, 2022 9:17:55 GMT
Alfa Romeo driver Valtteri Bottas has warned 'porpoising' in Formula 1 is "getting quite serious" and believes it could cause injuries to drivers. "I've seen how sore some of the drivers are after the race," said Bottas. "Some of the certain speeds and corners… the cars are less under control because of it.
"It is definitely a topic and it's getting quite serious."
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Post by ant on Jun 15, 2022 9:19:13 GMT
Up to mercedes to sort it on their car, come up with a solution and jack the car up in the interim and be even slower. Its not sustainable.
Same for all teams. The merc is just utterly silly in this regard
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Post by MartinT on Jun 15, 2022 10:20:15 GMT
Who wins, the driver saying he can barely control the car or the team who want the points?
It's not sustainable in the long run and will result in a potential injury (unless they find a magic fix).
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Post by ant on Jun 15, 2022 14:57:05 GMT
Russell says theres likely to be a bad accident at some point, being head of the gpda he will have a talked with all the drivers and got their take. Given lewis said he was struggling to keep the car on track at 170mph and russell couldnt see his pit board while being jolted around, it inevitable that someone will eventually lose it at high speed because of the mechanical or aero induced bouncing Possible long term effects will be debated until the cows come home. Merc especially needs to sort the bouncing out, the argument of develop your way out of it is a cop out because the budget cap means it is not going to be possible, the wind tunnel restrictions mean that they cant simulate it in real time and cfd isnt advanced enough to model it which shows how complex the issue is. All the aero testing restrictions based on last years championship position mean that merc simply cant develop the car. Haas would not be in the same boat in terms of development because they have the most cfd and wind tunnel time. What they dont have is the budget and manpower to do it. Swings and roundabouts. Red bull don't really have it, their floor works. Mclaren, alpha tauri and williams dont have it but they are slow. They jacked the cars up to alleviate it but this is no solution to an f1 team. Williams dont have the downforce in the first place so its a bit of a moot point. Ferrari have it but have a chassis that seems to have much better control over the mechanical bouncing. Alpha tauri are either slow or are bouncing, abit like the merc but not nearly as violent. Sauber has it, not as bad as the merc but slower, alpine dont have it badly but are slow. Haas are slow, racing point are slow.
The 'slow group' has 7 teams in it which have either not much or too much bouncing, then there is merc, faster but utterly vicious or slow if they jack it up to stop it being vicious, then the ferrari and red bull in the fast group.
The only team that have the aero under control are red bull, and nobody has the capacity to do anything about their aero either for budgetary and cost cap reasons, or aero testing and cfd restrictions
Yet another f1 shitshow
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Post by speedysteve on Jun 15, 2022 18:34:44 GMT
And after all of that, it's still a DRS shitshow of contrived overtaking.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 15, 2022 19:05:16 GMT
A pity, then, that the FIA didn't anticipate it as a problem given that we've had ground effect cars in the past and porpoising was a known phenomenon.
I can see that they were after closer racing, but it has failed miserably. All that has happened is one leading team has been replaced by another.
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Post by speedysteve on Jun 15, 2022 19:38:34 GMT
A pity, then, that the FIA didn't anticipate it as a problem given that we've had ground effect cars in the past and porpoising was a known phenomenon. I can see that they were after closer racing, but it has failed miserably. All that has happened is one leading team has been replaced by another. Yes, Colin Chapman's dual chassis car Lotus 88 for instance - banned by the FIA. It might not have actually been that good, but could have been developed. I'm sure Lewis and half the current pitlane would love to be isolated from the harsh reality that is unadulterated ground effect.
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Post by ant on Jun 15, 2022 20:22:45 GMT
The fia did know about it, and debated having a mandated ride height limit with the teams when they were deciding the technical regulations. The teams said no.
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Post by pre65 on Jun 16, 2022 15:39:02 GMT
"We Look Like a Bunch of Wankers" - Guenther Steiner talking to Gene Haas whilst being filmed.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 16, 2022 16:52:30 GMT
You've got to like him for being such a straight talker.
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