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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 12, 2022 16:03:40 GMT
Be interested to hear of proper scientific studies on fasting Anecdotal seems the norm for all the different types of fasting. The damage to the body sounds serious
I believe in the permanent change to a better diet A huge amount has gone, mostly muck. Lots come in, all good stuff
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Post by julesd68 on Mar 12, 2022 17:08:58 GMT
I can't provide you with a proper scientific study Mike, but I still think there is a place for 'anecdotal' evidence, as we can learn from others experiences.
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 12, 2022 17:11:37 GMT
I considered it for health benefits spoken about as my weight is easily under control Surprised by what I read and I don't guarantee anyone should do it from what was in the article
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Post by julesd68 on Mar 12, 2022 17:27:54 GMT
I'm not sure I would contemplate an intermittent fasting diet unless I wanted to lose weight.
There is a wealth of research that shows the benefits of intermittent fasting and that it can be safe for most, but not all people, including those with *some* preexisting medical conditions. As with anything, if you look hard enough you will most likely find a different view and everyone should do their own research and come to their own decision.
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Post by rfan8312 on Mar 12, 2022 17:28:17 GMT
Sounds good Martin. I've failed so many times at physical fitness yet somehow I'm still at it. Which I think is the real blessing, getting used to slip ups in order to reach the point of this health pursuit becoming and automatic unconscious effort.
What I've learned is, forget the rigid planning and structuring and monitoring. The real goal is to eventually land on a healthier path of some kind.
100% expect failures and if you can learn to not beat yourself up about those you'll continue on a slow gradual course in the right direction.
I wish the lot of us could make this a not new years resolution. And agree to all be moving up in health instead of down by the end of this year.
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Post by MartinT on Mar 12, 2022 20:29:27 GMT
Be interested to hear of proper scientific studies on fasting Anecdotal seems the norm for all the different types of fasting. The damage to the body sounds serious I don't call what I'm doing as fasting. It's being careful by eating smaller portions, avoiding some foods and not snacking. I am not missing any meals or doing alternate days or anything that could cause me damage. Indeed, being diabetic means I should eat something to help regulate my sugar levels and predict my insulin doses.
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 12, 2022 20:41:55 GMT
Be interested to hear of proper scientific studies on fasting Anecdotal seems the norm for all the different types of fasting. The damage to the body sounds serious I don't call what I'm doing as fasting. It's being careful by eating smaller portions, avoiding some foods and not snacking. I am not missing any meals or doing alternate days or anything that could cause me damage. Indeed, being diabetic means I should eat something to help regulate my sugar levels and predict my insulin doses. That reminds me of reading from years back when keeping regular meals was the way. Irregular may have been one of my migraine triggers.
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Post by brettj on Mar 13, 2022 6:49:06 GMT
My problem has always been portion control.
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Post by brettj on Mar 13, 2022 6:52:54 GMT
With exercise, 16/8 and portion control, I managed to go from 118kg to 102kg last year. But that has crept up again.
Tomorrow be the day of my continuation/recommitment to this. Eight months till my 60th birthday. Let's see what I can do.
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 13, 2022 10:18:50 GMT
My problem has always been portion control. I cut down incrementally. Couple of months back I found my meals were too much so cut down a bit more. Probably the stomach reduced in size
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 13, 2022 10:23:05 GMT
With exercise, 16/8 and portion control, I managed to go from 118kg to 102kg last year. But that has crept up again. Tomorrow be the day of my continuation/recommitment to this. Eight months till my 60th birthday. Let's see what I can do. Incremental but permanent change. Good food in and cut out the rubbish, cake, biscuits, sweets, anything with added sugar or salt. Slowly but surely. The boss disagreed with just about everything I've done. Delayed my going fully vegan for a while. I've got her on the various seeds and nuts now
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Post by MartinT on Mar 13, 2022 10:54:18 GMT
85.8kg this morning. This non-resolution is working well.
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Post by MartinT on Apr 24, 2022 19:59:54 GMT
84.8kg this morning. Cracking the 85kg barrier has put me at my lowest weight since chemotherapy in 2009.
Slowly, slowly does it.
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Post by julesd68 on Apr 24, 2022 21:10:04 GMT
Nice one Martin.
I have found that by adjusting aspects of my daily diet I have been able to keep my weight stable after losing the weight with the fasting diet. This is something I hadn't previously managed which led to yo-yo dieting. It's very pleasing keeping the weight off and it's so long ago, I can't actually remember the last time I was at my current weight.
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Post by rfan8312 on Apr 24, 2022 22:04:47 GMT
Nice one, Martin. In my case seeing good numbers on the scale is indispensable in keeping me motivated.
I met with a nutrionist on Friday and discovered something useful regarding carbohydrates.
The nutrionist gave me a list of examples of carbs that equal 15 grams. A cup of potatoes, a small bag of chips, one slice of bread, etc.
She explained that in the morning you can combine any 4 from the list to total 60 grams of carbohydrates. Or, choose any number of items that totals 60 grams of carbohydrates.
Then later at lunch same thing except you can have 60 - 75 grams.
Then later for dinner 60 grams of carbs total.
This is important for diabetics because carbs become sugar in the blood faster than other types of foods like proteins and fats.
So, I'm calculating carbs by grams for my blood sugar and then calculating the calories consumed in carbs, proteins, fats for my weight.
Imo seeing a visual graph of carbs by grams helps. I took paperwork and graphs home and it's the first thing my mind visualizes when thinking about this.
So...Identity what are the carbs in that which you eat. Potatoes, rice, bread, starchy foods, crackers, etc.
60 grams of carbs total in the morning. 60-75 for lunch 60 for the last meal of the day.
I've purchased a food scale to weigh anything that I can't calculate the calories of from the label on the packaging.
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Post by julesd68 on Apr 24, 2022 22:41:28 GMT
Carbs are one of the big changes I've made to my diet. I've actually given up all bread, potatoes, pasta and white rice. This approach isn't for everyone of course but it has been a big part of helping me lose and maintain my weight.
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Post by rfan8312 on Apr 24, 2022 22:56:41 GMT
Yup. I gave up bread for nearly a year and stopped the potatoes out of just being tired of making them everyday.
But what I don't get is that when I lost the most weight ever, 2 years ago, down from 210 to 180 pounds I had 2 pieces of bread every morning in a mackerel sandwich.
But I guess 2 pieces would have put me under 60 gram limit for each morning.
But I'm sure I had like 200 grams of potatoes every night in those days. So not sure why when I lost the most weight I had quite a few carbs in the daily diet of wheat bread + mackerel in olive oil. Then chicken with 5 or 6 potatoes every single night.
But was running every single night + pushups without fail. Celery and lemon every night. Chef salads or mackerel sandwich for lunch every day.
Now it's time to explore the world of bicycling. Very interested in this piece of the puzzle.
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Post by julesd68 on Apr 24, 2022 23:23:03 GMT
It's an interesting equation weight loss, and not always obvious how we get there. How long were you running for? I read that a 30 min run burns 200-500 calories. I'm guessing that your basic diet was really healthy so your modest carb intake wasn't holding you back ...
Fish is big in my diet too. My weight loss has purely been through diet - aside from walking each day I don't do anything else that would help!
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Post by rfan8312 on Apr 25, 2022 1:15:13 GMT
Aha, interesting. You're saying that the only thing that could explain the weight loss is diet yes? Well then I guess we know that it can be done with diet alone.
I was running intermittently for about 60-90 minutes. But I could never maintain a run for longer than maybe 2 or 3 minutes. Just trying kill time between push up sets and reach 10,000 steps on my phones step counter.
Regarding counting calories burned I use my phones built in step counter which shows that after 10,000 steps I've burned I think 800 calories.
But tbh I think I'm taking in way more calories than that throughout the day. I'll begin calculating all of that better soon after my recent visit with the nutrionist.
I would really recommend this video here. People hate Joe Rogan but he has great guests on his show. This person here, Pavel Tsatsouline said something here that I've never forgotten regarding running.
Essentially he says that when you're increasing your heart rate by running you are actually stretching your heart, which is good. If you run so hard that you're at 90% of your max capable heart rate your heart is only twitching, it's no longer stretching.
So he says the way to keep this under your control is to run in bursts that allow you to still speak a full sentence once you've paused running. If you're so winded that you can't speak then you must pull your exertion back.
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Post by MartinT on Apr 25, 2022 4:52:53 GMT
For me, weight loss is almost purely diet, too.
At work I do a fairly regular 6000 steps a day, sometimes up to 8000. However, I need to start walking at weekends again.
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