|
Post by MartinT on Dec 23, 2021 12:32:11 GMT
I heard a pair last year that were meant to be the last word in 'measurements' with Class D amps but found them entirely sterile and uninvolving to listen to. Can't remember the make. I have heard all manner of terrible speakers at a 'premium' price over the years. The very worst were a pair of Lumleys, a monstrosity of different drivers that sounded even worse than they looked. There have been others, but I'll keep this thread on track.
|
|
|
Post by John on Dec 23, 2021 12:35:41 GMT
The big Lumleys were awful
|
|
|
Post by julesd68 on Dec 24, 2021 0:31:17 GMT
I love JBLs and had a pair of L-100T floorstanders at one point. They do great crunchy upper bass, but as a rule (due to their loading), they're never the last word in extended deep bass. Looking at Klipsch Heritage Forte IV it seems to be a similar story - big drivers and incredibly easy to drive (99db / 8ohms) but go down to a modest 38hz.
|
|
|
Post by MartinT on Dec 24, 2021 0:55:48 GMT
Horn loading needs immense size horns to go really low. I doubt even the mighty JBL Everest DD67000 will do deep organ pedals as I like to feel them, for instance the 16Hz of a 64' pipe.
|
|
|
Post by John on Dec 24, 2021 5:50:55 GMT
You could always add a few subs. Something like the GR Research server sub would be ideal this would give you really good bass and is highly rated for audio.
|
|
|
Post by ajski2fly on Dec 24, 2021 6:45:34 GMT
As far as I am aware there is not a great deal of music that goes below 35hz, so unless you intend to use them in a cinema setup as front speakers to get really low end reproduction it is going to be pretty costly in relation to what you get back.
When I purchased the Impulse H2, )I measured the down to 30hz) the chap I purchased fromowned 2 pairs, he was the second lead violinist for the LSO. In his main system he also had a sub which was a 6 foot box 2 by 2 foot driven by its dedicated amp.
He put on several pieces of music and yes it sounded good, but at times the bottom end sounded/felt unreal to me, or exaggerated. The other thing to consider was that the floor and walls at times vibrated with the really low frequencies, so unless you lived in a well detached house it probably would not go down well with the neighbours.
|
|
|
Post by MartinT on Dec 24, 2021 9:46:32 GMT
For me, the lowest organ pedal notes are important to the music as a whole. I really dislike listening to something I know well, such as Saint-Seans Symphony No.3, on small speakers where the notes I know should be there are completely absent. It's not just classical music, either. Bands like Yello have prodigious bass content which makes the whole so much more exciting. Other music, like that from Christina Pluhar, may not have any apparent bass, but the sound of the venue acoustic requires good bass output to be realistic.
|
|
|
Post by ajski2fly on Dec 24, 2021 10:27:41 GMT
For me, the lowest organ pedal notes are important to the music as a whole. I really dislike listening to something I know well, such as Saint-Seans Symphony No.3, on small speakers where the notes I know should be there are completely absent. It's not just classical music, either. Bands like Yello have prodigious bass content which makes the whole so much more exciting. Other music, like that from Christina Pluhar, may not have any apparent bass, but the sound of the venue acoustic requires good bass output to be realistic. Martin I do agree if the music has low bass then it is good to hear as well as low acoustics from a venue in a live recording, but having said that what I was getting at was spending big dosh on a pair of large expensive speakers may not be the best way or cost effective to get that. I am in fact considering getting a reasonably priced sub to supplement the WB Vectors, to deal with 50hz and below for that very reason, but I need to get some cash together first.
|
|
|
Post by John on Dec 24, 2021 10:39:49 GMT
On my system, it is easy for me to cut off the bass as active. I only cut in about 33, and I guess I go down to about 20. It adds a bit more solidity to the sound. Not essential. However, I would miss it if I turned it off
|
|
|
Post by julesd68 on Dec 24, 2021 11:33:02 GMT
Super low bass not as important to me as soundstage but if there is the opportunity to have one's cake and eat it ...
|
|
|
Post by MartinT on Dec 24, 2021 11:34:16 GMT
Super low bass not as important to me as soundstage but if there is the opportunity to have one's cake and eat it ... Super low bass gives you more soundstage.
|
|
|
Post by julesd68 on Dec 24, 2021 15:16:23 GMT
What do we think of panel speakers?
|
|
|
Post by John on Dec 24, 2021 15:33:58 GMT
Size is everything, and bloody hard to drive but can be dynamic
|
|
|
Post by MartinT on Dec 24, 2021 15:42:14 GMT
The best I've heard, the big Martin Logan CLX, still wouldn't be for me. Others like the Quad 989 are very far from what I want in a speaker.
|
|
|
Post by John on Dec 24, 2021 15:56:44 GMT
You also need a sub unless really big
|
|
|
Post by julesd68 on Dec 25, 2021 16:54:11 GMT
Any opinions on Shahinian?
|
|
|
Post by petea on Dec 25, 2021 20:53:34 GMT
I have Arcs as a secondary pair and they are good for orchestral and acoustic music, but prefer my other pair as all-round speakers. I have not sued them with the new subs yet though.
|
|
|
Post by julesd68 on Dec 25, 2021 23:12:26 GMT
Which are your main speakers Pete?
|
|
|
Post by ajski2fly on Dec 27, 2021 9:36:18 GMT
I have Arcs as a secondary pair and they are good for orchestral and acoustic music, but prefer my other pair as all-round speakers. I have not sued them with the new subs yet though. I was rather sad to see my ARCs go, it took me 6 months to get up the resolve to sell them, a lovely speaker with a great tone and detail, I did consider a sub at the time and retrospectively it may have been quite good move to have made rether than have gone through 2 other speaker before arriving at the Wilson Benesch Vectors.
|
|
|
Post by petea on Dec 27, 2021 9:51:03 GMT
Which are your main speakers Pete? In the UK I use elderly Rega Elas (Mk 1.25, bought new in '89) with Townshend Super-tweeters and a REL sub and in Germany I use Royd Apex with Super-tweeters and a (larger, due to room size) Rel sub. I bought the Apexes s/h out of curiosity (and an inability to find another pair of Ela 1.25s) as the reviews from the late 80s all claimed them to have the edge over the Rega version. I think that was snobbery though as the terminals etc are cheap and nasty and the Ela handles vocals slightly better. The cross-overs in the Royds are external and of a more complex design and I plan to build a 'better' version and also to try the Ela design on them at some point as everything else aside from the feet is identical (all speakers are on Townshend Podiums in any case). I tried Arcs in the room in the UK, but could not get them to work as the bass reflected into the Inglenook fireplace: it is a tricky room. Here in Germany it is easier and they do their usual magic with staging and scale. I have not run them with the sub though, but I suspect it would work well although I'd have to fiddle with the cross-over I suspect.
|
|