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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 13:02:02 GMT
So this guy was teaching a nine year old kid how to shoot an Uzi Teaching a child how to use a deadly weapon designed to kill. He wins two awards here. Great teacher, she killed someone. This sounds sick. It is - on every level.
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Post by danielquinn on Aug 27, 2014 13:11:57 GMT
She did of course kill him . But it is interesting moral dilemma. In a country were guns are legal and everyone as them , are you handicapping your child by not teaching them to use one ?
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Post by Chris on Aug 27, 2014 15:46:46 GMT
Yip agree with DQ here. As I've said before guns are a tricky question. If someone else has one the only way to even the odds is to have one as well.
Instructors at fault here - he should have been SUPER careful. Wonder what the legality is here? Can a 9 year old face murder/manslaughter/culpable homicide charges? Is she even legally responsible?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 15:54:47 GMT
Yip agree with DQ here. As I've said before guns are a tricky question. If someone else has one the only way to even the odds is to have one as well. Instructors at fault here - he should have been SUPER careful. Wonder what the legality is here? Can a 9 year old face murder/manslaughter/culpable homicide charges? Is she even legally responsible? I have no idea what DQ said. However, why does a nine year old need to learn how to use a sub machine gun. Surely a pistol would be sufficient to provide some self defence?
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Post by Chris on Aug 27, 2014 15:57:08 GMT
Not against an UZI.
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Post by Stratmangler on Aug 27, 2014 16:07:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 16:40:21 GMT
I'm not convinced that all that makes it any less sick.
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Post by Stratmangler on Aug 27, 2014 16:56:18 GMT
I'm not convinced that all that makes it any less sick. It's certainly sad for all those involved! I wouldn't go as far as describing it as sick, but it was an avoidable incident, and the instructor was negligent in his supervisory duties.
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Post by MikeMusic on Aug 27, 2014 17:11:34 GMT
9 year old with an Uzi You couldn't make it up
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Post by danielquinn on Aug 27, 2014 17:27:00 GMT
Dear Gordon . To paraphrase the f.t. no DQ no comment.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 17:31:50 GMT
9 year old with an Uzi You couldn't make it up What amazes me is that anyone could think its OK and an acceptable thing to be teaching young children. How does the fact that others have guns make it any less sick? I take it she has been provided with a decent knife in case someone tries to stab her, some mace in case some pervert tries to rape her, a set of knuckle dusters in case some other kid tries to hit her etc. Hope the poor kid is strong, better give her some weight training lessons in case anyone tries to pick her up.
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Post by danielquinn on Aug 27, 2014 17:34:44 GMT
Who is saying what you say they are saying?
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Post by MartinT on Aug 27, 2014 17:43:06 GMT
I have no dilemma about it: no nine year old should be taught to use a gun, let alone an Uzi. The teacher put himself and everyone around him at risk by doing so. He paid the ultimate price.
It's about time the USA realises that, sometimes, a constitutional amendment needs revisiting. There are precedents for it so to continue to quote it as their right to bear arms cuts no ice with me. How many more school shootings will it take?
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Post by ChrisB on Aug 27, 2014 19:44:31 GMT
As far as I understand it, the right to bear arms in the USA is a right to bear them in defence of the country. If that is the case, then there's rather too much 'defending' going on in my opinion. And I speak as someone who owned and used firearms for most of my life.
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Post by Dave on Aug 27, 2014 20:22:04 GMT
"There is a trespasser on my lawn, I must defend myself.... BANG!!! .....Damn, it's the paper boy!!! Heck, they'll get another soon enough..."
I worry about what this will do to the psyche of the girl. She'll either end up one fucked up kid or dead. Time to act!!!
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Post by Slinger on Aug 27, 2014 21:38:42 GMT
Regardless of the ethical and moral issues two things spring to mind. One - a properly qualified instructor should have had at least one hand on the weapon as a child of that age is NOT capable of controlling the kick of an UZI on full auto, as was proved. Two - If the 'proud' mom and dad hadn't been filming their little treasure firing an UZI would the instructor have done this instead of trying to keep 'out of shot' so to speak? Apparently the local Sheriff has now announced that "no one would be charged with a crime because the gun range was fully licensed. " Source = Daily Telegraph
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Post by danielquinn on Aug 28, 2014 7:10:12 GMT
The fact the bloke is dead proves he cocked up. So far the arguements against are niave and analogous to not teaching your child to swim cause someone drowned once. Of course gun culture is stupid but parents must deal worth the world as it is not as they wish it was.
And Chris b the supreme Court is full of precedent setting case law Interpreting what the constitution says. Not read it but I'm sure they have taken into account your narrow interpretation of the words.
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Post by ChrisB on Aug 28, 2014 7:21:46 GMT
Of course you are correct with regard to the current interpretation. However, I'm not convinced that when the amendment was made, the intention would have been to allow a nine year old access to a machine gun (supervised or not). I'd imagine that if they had foreseen such a situation then they would have chosen a rather different form of words. Don't you?
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Post by danielquinn on Aug 28, 2014 7:41:40 GMT
I suspect this a state law to do with gun ranges being recreational sport. Federal laws prohibits ownership to 18 or 21 depending on the gun.
If you accept in a world of guns it is necessary to have one as the nra advocate seems to me you have a difficult time convincing people 9 is the age to start to learn.
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Post by MikeMusic on Aug 28, 2014 8:25:21 GMT
The arms industry is too powerful in the US. Too much money involved.
Hopefully this is yet another nudge towards sense. One of the things that puts me right off the US is the amount of firearms
Legal for a nine year old to fire an Uzi so how about a mortar, hand grenade, ground to air missile, howitzer ? Can all be termed sport by some.
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