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Post by jandl100 on May 1, 2021 5:46:14 GMT
The "classical period" and classical music are 2 different things - the former is just one part of the latter.
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Post by John on May 1, 2021 7:17:49 GMT
I am certainly Okay with not calling the music of Yngwie classical. He has an amazing tone that is violin like accept with distortion on a electric guitar but as Paul says I would not call this classical. More music inspired by classical music. But then I would call artists like Max Richter and Philip Glass classical
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Post by MikeMusic on May 1, 2021 9:25:43 GMT
I doubt it’s helpful to be rigid with the definition but if we were to be...the word “classical” suggests to me it’s not supposed to evolve. It surely doesn’t matter and that thought only struck me when I read your post. We have plenty of Contemporary Classical music so I think while we have the classics it dose develop Contemporary Classical is an oxymoron to most. Me ? Maybe yes, maybe no Subtext Who cares, is it good ?  |
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Post by MikeMusic on May 1, 2021 9:26:52 GMT
I am certainly Okay with not calling the music of Yngwie classical. He has an amazing tone that is violin like accept with distortion on a electric guitar but as Paul says I would not call this classical. More music inspired by classical music. But then I would call artists like Max Richter and Philip Glass classical I could argue Glass is *not* classical - or it is |
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Post by John on May 1, 2021 9:56:37 GMT
So something like his violin concerto is not classical?
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Post by John on May 1, 2021 9:58:00 GMT
I am okay with Oxymoron's life is full of paradoxes
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Post by MikeMusic on May 1, 2021 10:18:46 GMT
So something like his violin concerto is not classical? Yes and No perhaps Maybe |
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Post by MikeMusic on May 1, 2021 10:19:23 GMT
I am okay with Oxymoron's life is full of paradoxes Life is an Oxymoron You can quote me on that ! |
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Post by MartinT on May 1, 2021 11:41:00 GMT
Glass and Richter are definitely classical. For me, anyway.
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Post by julesd68 on May 1, 2021 11:45:22 GMT
So something like his violin concerto is not classical? Glass can be tricky but his VC seems to comfortably inhabit the world of Contemporary Classical. |
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Post by julesd68 on May 1, 2021 11:51:31 GMT
I was thinking, someone like Bartok gets lumped in with all classical music nowadays but in his time would have been at the cutting edge of modernist contemporary classical music. Classical music has always evolved and will continue to do so.
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Post by MartinT on May 1, 2021 11:54:19 GMT
Pushing it even further, you've got atonal composers like Birtwistle and Xennakis.
Now, I could give them several names (don't get me started) but they still come under classical music.
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Post by Slinger on May 1, 2021 13:23:09 GMT
Wikipedia has the (almost) definitive answer. Of course, that would exclude my NAXOS Chinese classical albums... This definition of "Classic" is pretty good: Then there's this " List of classical and art music traditions." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_classical_and_art_music_traditionsCan we, do you think, agree that " Classical Music," means different things to different people, perhaps within the loose framework outlined by the definition of "Classic," as given above? Or shall we all agree to disagree? The "Flower Duet," from the opera Lakmé by Léo Delibes? Classical? Opera? (Is Opera, Classical Music?) Or British Airways advert?  |
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Post by MikeMusic on May 1, 2021 14:09:46 GMT
What we really need is the bottomless pit of genres there are in modern music
- or maybe not
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Post by julesd68 on May 1, 2021 14:29:03 GMT
Wikipedia has the (almost) definitive answer. Of course, that would exclude my NAXOS Chinese classical albums... This definition of "Classic" is pretty good: Then there's this " List of classical and art music traditions." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_classical_and_art_music_traditionsCan we, do you think, agree that " Classical Music," means different things to different people, perhaps within the loose framework outlined by the definition of "Classic," as given above? Neither of those two definitions get to the heart of Classical Music for me - I'm not sure it can be summed up in one brief sentence. Looking at wiki in more detail it gives the following - "This is the European tradition of music developed during early modern Europe which is associated with high culture" Problem with that is whilst it may be true, it will give rise to the usual tedious accusations of snobbery and exclusivity. |
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Post by Slinger on May 1, 2021 14:38:08 GMT
There is no answer, Jules. It's as simple as that. If this thread runs to twenty pages, or two hundred, you'll be lucky to see two people sharing a precise definition.
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Post by julesd68 on May 1, 2021 14:58:06 GMT
Agreed Paul, but I’d just be happy to find a definition that I was comfortable with and as yet I haven’t found one.
But not giving up yet!
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Post by MikeMusic on May 1, 2021 15:01:59 GMT
Music for posh punters ! |
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Post by julesd68 on May 1, 2021 15:03:17 GMT
Yep that's nailed it Mike, happy with that. |
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Post by MartinT on May 1, 2021 19:26:10 GMT
The "Flower Duet," from the opera Lakmé by Léo Delibes? Classical? Opera? (Is Opera, Classical Music?) Or British Airways advert? No, simply divine! |
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