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Post by jandl100 on Nov 7, 2020 19:35:41 GMT
Thanks for the heads up, Adrian, I've just ordered a set from Amazon.
The Plan is to put them between my Auralex platforms and speakers.
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Post by ajski2fly on Nov 7, 2020 21:33:37 GMT
Thanks for the heads up, Adrian, I've just ordered a set from Amazon. The Plan is to put them between my Auralex platforms and speakers. Wobbly is best, interested to hear what your think, by the way 4 are good for up to 100lbs or 45kg, not sure how big the Auralex are, might be a challenge with the Daleks😂
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Post by jandl100 on Nov 8, 2020 5:50:20 GMT
Numpty that I am, I didn't even consider weight limits! My speakers are.... 45kg. So that should give maximum wobble. If they fall over and break, I'll be sending you the bill for replacement MBLs. Hmm, if necessary I can take some of the strain with a spring loaded support or two that I have lying around from previous experiments under components.
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Post by ajski2fly on Nov 8, 2020 6:03:46 GMT
Numpty that I am, I didn't even consider weight limits! My speakers are.... 45kg. So that should give maximum wobble. If they fall over and break, I'll be sending you the bill for replacement MBLs. Hmm, if necessary I can take some of the strain with a spring loaded support or two that I have lying around from previous experiments under components. Your wobble and spring rates are completely down to you! Experiments into wobblevosity and its extremities are in your control alone. Be careful not to induce the perfect isolation point of your MBL’s😂
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Post by jandl100 on Nov 8, 2020 6:08:44 GMT
I was thinking of placing all 4 of the Big Feet at the centre of each speaker's base so as to get maximum wobble. Is that a good idea, or what!
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Post by MartinT on Nov 8, 2020 11:10:03 GMT
Can you take photos of before and after the crash?
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Post by ajski2fly on Nov 8, 2020 11:30:28 GMT
I was thinking of placing all 4 of the Big Feet at the centre of each speaker's base so as to get maximum wobble. Is that a good idea, or what! I have heard that placing each speaker inside a pyramid works wonders, it helps focus the energies in sound waves of purity.
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Post by jandl100 on Nov 8, 2020 11:43:48 GMT
I was thinking of placing all 4 of the Big Feet at the centre of each speaker's base so as to get maximum wobble. Is that a good idea, or what! I have heard that placing each speaker inside a pyramid works wonders, it helps focus the energies in sound waves of purity. That's an awesome idea! The MBLs are a bit pyramid shaped already - maybe that's why they sound so good.
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Post by brian2957 on Nov 8, 2020 12:31:28 GMT
Ebay has them half that price but doesn't have to be Townshend Adrian's way is very much less An update to my Exploration into Isolation, in this case speaker decoupling. So I took the plunge and purchased these through Amazon. www.hudsonhifi.com/collections/sound-isolation/products/hudson-hi-fi-bigfoot-silicone-isolation-feetthey also do smaller blocks. or www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B08GLBKRYZ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 It certainly has changed the sound from the previous more stiffer blocks. Initially I though it sounded a little odd, and then I realised it was greater separation and definition, meaning that the recording had opened up. There seems to be a wider sound stage and a bigger 3D effect, the drums are easy to distinguish and definitely have some great extension, I can also pick out the bass easier. That is listening to Los Endos on Genesis “A Trick of the Tail”, big drums and bass. Just put on the Ravi Shankar 'Portrait of Genius', I have not heard the tablas sound so realistic, they have much tighter attack as they are hit and the hollowness of the drums is more accurate, and there is a clear decay to them. At the same time the other instruments are better defined, sound as if they are in the room, wonderful. Probably the best £50 I have spent on my Hifi. As stated earlier it does seem counter-intuitive to have slightly wobbly speakers, I have spent 40+ years using rigid spikes being told this was the way, as far as my ears are concerned complete and utter tosh. Thanks for posting Adrian . I have ordered some of the smaller ones for my standmounts .
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Post by petea on Nov 8, 2020 12:51:07 GMT
How much thrust do those rocket motors generate?!
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Post by ajski2fly on Nov 8, 2020 13:18:07 GMT
How much thrust do those rocket motors generate?! I have lift off!
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Post by Clive on Nov 8, 2020 18:18:28 GMT
I must say I’m tempted by the Hudson feet for my MarkaudioSota Viotti Towers, at 64lbs they are in the window for these feet. My finger may twitch soon on the Amazon button.
Also for my Bastanis OB widebands though these are lighter and may need a different spec of feet.
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Post by jandl100 on Nov 15, 2020 19:18:32 GMT
Gosh, those rocket thruster nozzles work a real treat! 3D focus, transient speed and immediacy are the big gains. What an excellent result, thanks Adrian. It's quite a transformation, actually. A real step up. Wobbletastic.
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Post by Clive on Nov 15, 2020 19:56:45 GMT
What weight are the two successful speakers being wobbled here?
The MarkAudio Towers I have are 64lbs which is at the bottom end of the weight range for the rocket motor exhausts. I’ve read that it’s best to be closer to the upper limit of weight, eg 100lbs.
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Post by jandl100 on Nov 15, 2020 20:04:21 GMT
Curiously enough, fantastic results are happening with 45kg speakers = 100lb!
It's a Holographic Hextravaganza.
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Post by jandl100 on Nov 15, 2020 21:58:47 GMT
.... Hmm, bass "heft" has reduced a bit.
Will have to see if I can adjust to it, or if not tweak it back somehow. Tone controls anyone? Maybe a hybrid setup of wobbly bits and cones?
Will investigate more on the morrow.
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Post by ajski2fly on Nov 15, 2020 23:25:09 GMT
Hi I have done some more experimentation with these www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B082TVRVL4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1, my friend has them under his Tannoy Kensington GRs. IMO opinion a very similar result to the wobbly rocket thruster, but with a little stronger bass, but not necessarily better. I also used these with sorbothane semisheres placed between them and the speaker bottom, this result in more wobble but less than with the rockets. The result being sonically it moved closer to with just the rockets. I listened to side 1 of Ravi Shankar - Portrait of Genius all morning and kept swapping them around. My conclusion was that as my ears adjusted the rubber rockets gave a more accurate rendition, even though initially it seemed like a bass drop. This was highlighted to me when I listened to Emerson, Lake and Palmer - Trilogy on several tracks I could separate the bass from the organ with the rockets, but with the others it became fuzzy and virtually possible to separate them aurally. So my conclusion is that you need time for your ears and brain to adjust to it. I remember something similar when using narrow band eq to lower 1st, and 2nd order reverberation for my room at 65hz and 130hz using Audirvana software, initially it made things sound a bit flattened in the low end, but improved with time. The chap who recommended doing this said you neede to allow 5-7 days of listening for you hearing/brain to adjust, basically because it was pre-conditioned to over-emphasised bass.
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Post by jandl100 on Nov 16, 2020 4:59:32 GMT
Yes, I already had a sneaking suspicion that the bass was more accurate in level with the rocket thrusters. I've known for quite a while that compared to a friend's carefully 'DSPed to flat' system that mine has a little extra whoompf at the bottom end - and I had filed that under 'naughty but nice', like eating a cream cake. I'm hopeful that I can get a moderate return to naughtiness while retaining the quite startling improvement in clarity of soundstaging. As luck would have it, I have a Parasound C2 preamp/processor arriving soon that should allow me to play quite a few games in that way.
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Post by MartinT on Nov 16, 2020 5:06:44 GMT
I used the washing machine feet some time ago, and they were better by far than cones. However, the Townshend Podiums are way better than the washing machine feet by at least an equal margin. Bass quality is well up while heft is not lost. I have quite a lot of 'naughtiness' but only when it is truly present in the music.
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Post by jandl100 on Nov 16, 2020 5:28:23 GMT
My, my - we are up early! I'm afraid that I seem to like being naughty. On a pre lockdown visit to the aforementioned friend there were 3 of us, and I deliberately chose the off centre chair as that resided in a bass node which plumped up the lower end a bit. But yes it may well be that it sneaked up on me over the years, and it's just a matter of getting used to a more tonally accurate presentation. ... Hah, yes, it comes back to me. On a visit to Justin soon after he got his current "Apogees" I mentioned that, while being suitably impressed I thought my MBLs had deeper bass. He gave me a rather bleak stare and said the Aps measured flat to 20Hz.
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