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Post by moomalade on Mar 30, 2024 17:27:50 GMT
AI will just be a visual tool, likely in the concepting phase early on in film production. It's text based generative qualities lack the precision and control required to deliver exactly what the client wants in the final image.
Though for certain, studios will attempt to use it, blinded by the potential savings. The only worry is by the time they realise it's not the golden goose they think is, the vfx industry as we know it will have burned down, with most of the big talents having moved on.
A colleague put it best:
"It’s interesting how it’s sort of backwards from the traditional artistic process. Normally, getting your abstract idea across is easy (e.g., anybody can draw a stick figure character), but making it look detailed and realistic is hard.
Here you get detail for free, but consistently expressing your idea is hard."
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Post by Slinger on Mar 30, 2024 18:49:29 GMT
Composing a useable, and stable, text prompt (for a still image in this instance) to produce a picture of Emma Watson, dressed as a nun, standing in front of a convent while juggling three crucifixes would be quite complex, while the analogue version would be something like "Emma, put this on, stand over there, and juggle these, dear".
Your digital "starting point" might be "a beautiful picture of emma_watson_xl, detailed skin texture, masterpiece, photorealistic, woman, blonde, detailed eyes, detailed lips, detailed face, 4k, light, RAW colour photo, (fully in frame:1.1), (blush:0.5), (goosebumps:0.5), nightime, wearing a nun's habit, looking directly at camera, <lora:emma_watson_xl2 (4):1.0>, (((juggling 3 crucifixes: 1.5))), background is a convent ¦ dramatic lighting, <lora:sinfully_stylish_SDXL:0.8>" and that's just the first best guess.
And that's also without a corresponding prompt telling the software what you DO NOT want to see in your scene, something like. "(worst quality, low quality, normal quality, lowres, low details, oversaturated, undersaturated, overexposed, underexposed, grayscale, bw, bad photo, bad photography, bad art:1.4), (watermark, signature, text font, username, error, logo, words, letters, digits, autograph, trademark, name:1.2), (blur, blurry, grainy), morbid, ugly, asymmetrical, mutated malformed, mutilated, poorly lit, bad shadow, draft, cropped, out of frame, cut off, censored, jpeg artifacts, out of focus, glitch, duplicate, (airbrushed, cartoon, anime, semi-realistic, cgi, render, blender, digital art, manga, amateur:1.3), (3D ,3D Game, 3D Game Scene, 3D Character:1.1), (bad hands, bad anatomy, bad body, bad face, bad teeth, bad arms, bad legs, deformities:1.3), anime, cartoon, graphic, (blur, blurry, bokeh), text, painting, crayon, graphite, abstract, glitch, deformed, mutated, ugly, disfigured"
What the digital route will always be though, is a lot less expensive than hiring Ms Watson, teaching her to juggle, and directing her to stand in front of a real-life convent - after receiving the correct permissions - and making a donation to the church for the privilege of having her stand there.
It's all about the money, and the quality can hopefully come later seems to the the Philistine credo.
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Post by MikeMusic on Mar 30, 2024 20:33:24 GMT
The price will be nice
Quality will be 'good enough'
Eventually it will be normal
I play a game with certain effects these days, usually explosions
That's CGI
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Post by rfan8312 on Mar 30, 2024 21:48:26 GMT
What about TV commercials? Here in the US every commercial must include more than 1 race because of the fear of what not doing so would be perceived as. So, every white guy in the SUV commercial must be married to a black or asian woman. Every group of friends watching a football game must be of mixed race to the point where it's actually distracting. A woman who worked for an ad agency was on the Adam Carolla show mentioned how when they were putting together an ad it felt a bit wrong being tasked with going out specifically to find a black person to appear on the screen. We are so scared of the possible wrong perception that we operate more on what something looks like than what it is.
Could AI be a solution when it comes to cheap ads for products like Domino's Pizza? Domino's is a massive chain here. The quality of the product is rock bottom it's difficult to even call it pizza but they advertise the most.
In this AI ad the people look wrong still but I wonder if they fixed that could we once and for all drop our struggle to not appear racist and just chalk it up to entering the right prompts and say "hey this is what it gave us, ye there are only 2 Asians in there and only 1 black person but there're also only two whites". There would be nobody to be falsely outraged at if you can prove you added the prompt to include 'assortment of races within a group of 5 people'.
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Post by MartinT on Mar 30, 2024 23:15:09 GMT
What about TV commercials? Here in the US every commercial must include more than 1 race because of the fear of what not doing so would be perceived as. It's the same in the UK and extends to TV series, too. It's so obvious, it becomes tiresome. |
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Post by Slinger on Mar 30, 2024 23:48:11 GMT
And then there's the annoying trend of taking a well-known male character and re-casting him as a woman...
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Post by rfan8312 on Mar 31, 2024 0:17:04 GMT
Sounds like another fear based move based on what the studio thinks the audience wants. Though not sure if it's possible to know why the studio does that?
Regarding AI handling ads, I wouldn't want to see actors lose out on a paycheck if they became obsolete for filming TV ads, but I think since so many ads are just one offs and you never see that actor again, technically AI might be able to just spit out ads that are completely computer generated and just be done with it with no reason to be offended since a machine created it with no reason to try to offend anyone.
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Post by orange55 on Mar 31, 2024 8:04:10 GMT
What about TV commercials? Here in the US every commercial must include more than 1 race because of the fear of what not doing so would be perceived as. It's the same in the UK and extends to TV series, too. It's so obvious, it becomes tiresome. agree it is comedy obvious. However, it does mean we no longer have to watch the same old people tuning up again and again in different shows. We are seeing some new actors coming through who are good and more of them. I am pleased to not see David Tennent and Olivia Coleman in every show. 😀 |
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Post by julesd68 on May 13, 2024 0:30:32 GMT
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Post by julesd68 on May 18, 2024 20:31:26 GMT
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Post by Slinger on May 18, 2024 21:55:27 GMT
NEW MOVIE TRAILERS 2024 (Sci-Fi)
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Post by rfan8312 on May 19, 2024 1:19:08 GMT
That new 'A Quiet Place' looks incredible. I saw the first one and forgot it quickly but the 2nd one, the prequel was so good that it made me revisit first film and appreciate it more.
If this one is as good as those they have a real winner with this story.
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Post by Tim on May 19, 2024 11:09:39 GMT
The only thing I'm interested in seeing there Slinger would be Megalopolis. It's had a luke warm reception so far and I really hope it does well at the Box Office. Would be a real shame for a self financed ($120 Million) 40 year old passion project to flop, from one of the grand masters of cinema. Coppola is 85 now  |
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Post by Tim on May 20, 2024 15:47:02 GMT
That new 'A Quiet Place' looks incredible. I saw the first one and forgot it quickly but the 2nd one, the prequel was so good that it made me revisit first film and appreciate it more. If this one is as good as those they have a real winner with this story. Now I find that intriguing Robert as I'm completely the opposite, I thought the first film was outstanding, so much so I went back to see it a second time. But Quiet Place II, I couldn't wait for that to end as I thought it was extremely poor compared to the first film.
What was it you didn't like about the first one and what did you like about the second?
I'm genuinely interested |
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Post by Tim on May 20, 2024 17:14:16 GMT
This is a film I'm very excited about being a huge Yorgos Lanthimos fan. I've seen all his films more than once, some multiple times.
This is also how to make a trailer, virtually no dialogue or scenes to give away the plot, just enough to whet the appetite, show you who's in it and none of that ridiculous overblown dramatic music! Looks a bit Tarantino ish style wise doesn't it?
Kinds of Kindness a film by Yorgos Lanthimos 2024
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Post by Tim on May 20, 2024 17:27:21 GMT
Oh wow, someone else thought so too . . . just came upon this one as a YouTube suggestion. Some wag has done a whole bunch of trailers in the same style, including a Pulp Fiction one. Brilliant 
And Blade Runner 2049
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Post by julesd68 on May 20, 2024 20:23:44 GMT
That new 'A Quiet Place' looks incredible. I saw the first one and forgot it quickly but the 2nd one, the prequel was so good that it made me revisit first film and appreciate it more. If this one is as good as those they have a real winner with this story. Now I find that intriguing Robert as I'm completely the opposite, I thought the first film was outstanding, so much so I went back to see it a second time. But Quiet Place II, I couldn't wait for that to end as I thought it was extremely poor compared to the first film. I couldn't agree more - the 2nd one was about as tense as a trip to Waitrose by comparison - I was so disappointed! |
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Post by Tim on May 20, 2024 20:44:50 GMT
If I'm being honest I really can't abide sequels or prequels Jules (or remakes), 99 times out of 100 they suck. They're lazy, unoriginal and just some studio accountant working out on spreadsheet the odds of it making money, with minimal effort. As Francis Ford Coppola said a long time ago . . . it's factory film making.
I just don't get it, but I am interested in a different viewpoint as I can't see it from here?
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Post by Slinger on May 20, 2024 22:26:27 GMT
If I'm being honest I really can't abide sequels or prequels Jules (or remakes), 99 times out of 100 they suck. They're lazy, unoriginal and just some studio accountant working out on spreadsheet the odds of it making money, with minimal effort. As Francis Ford Coppola said a long time ago . . . it's factory film making. I just don't get it, but I am interested in a different viewpoint as I can't see it from here? And yet... "The Godfather Part II".  |
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Post by rfan8312 on May 21, 2024 2:30:17 GMT
That new 'A Quiet Place' looks incredible. I saw the first one and forgot it quickly but the 2nd one, the prequel was so good that it made me revisit first film and appreciate it more. If this one is as good as those they have a real winner with this story. Now I find that intriguing Robert as I'm completely the opposite, I thought the first film was outstanding, so much so I went back to see it a second time. But Quiet Place II, I couldn't wait for that to end as I thought it was extremely poor compared to the first film.
What was it you didn't like about the first one and what did you like about the second?
I'm genuinely interested Tbh Tim it was a matter of preference. I preferred the atmosphere and the set pieces and plot of the 2nd film. When I saw the first film I thought it was a one off in a string of horror films I'd seen that year and thought it was a decent entry in that genre but was not compelled to go see it again and forgot about it quickly. When I Saw the 2nd film had come out I took more interest in that story. I liked the trailer a lot and was glad to see it showed how the trouble started for that family as opposed to just being thrown into their lives mid-misery like in the first film. I didn't dislike the first film but yet it didn't grab me. Starting at the baseball field and seeing things unfold from there was a thrill imo. I just took a liking to it plus I had been waiting to see a scene from the trailer and looked forward to that. I liked in part 2 that we finally got to see that bizarre echo location bit of the monsters anatomy and how it works. Also, by the end of the film I could actually feel from the performances how bitter these characters were towards these freaks that came and took so much from them. You could actually see the resentment on each face. The two young actors who played siblings especially were electric in conveying this feeling. I went back just a day or two later to see the film again. |
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