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Post by speedysteve on Sept 10, 2020 7:51:57 GMT
Hopefully better showing, but he only really did really well in the RB back when that had various steals over the competition and who know if he got pref treatment over his team mates to protect just enough?
In equal machinery I'd take Alonso / Hammy and even Massa of the old guard everytime at their respective peaks. New guard Verstap and Le Cl of course.
He'd do better to shuffle off now really.
I saw Perez more as crashy car breaker really.
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Post by MartinT on Sept 10, 2020 8:55:49 GMT
I really want to see Sainz do well. He's starting to look like the classy driver I always thought he was, and not winning last Sunday when he was running a good 2nd behind Hamilton before the red flag was just bad luck. He earned that place with a lightning quick qualy position that he admitted had frightened him as he hung everything out to get that time.
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Post by MartinT on Sept 12, 2020 16:06:02 GMT
New track and new track record for Hamilton. Bottas was leading all the Free Practices but #44 just piles it on when it most matters. Hamilton on pole for tomorrow.
Times
1 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:15.144
2 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 0.059s
3 Max Verstappen Red Bull 0.365s
4 Alex Albon Red Bull 0.810s
5 Charles Leclerc Ferrari 1.126s
6 Sergio Perez Racing Point 1.167s
7 Lance Stroll Racing Point 1.212s
8 Daniel Ricciardo Renault 1.399s
9 Carlos Sainz McLaren 2.726s
10 Esteban Ocon Renault
11 Daniil Kvyat AlphaTauri 1:16.640
12 Carlos Sainz McLaren 1:16.854
13 Kimi Raikkonen Alfa Romeo Racing 1:16.854
14 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 1:16.858
15 Romain Grosjean Haas 1:17.254
16 Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri 1:17.125
17 Antonio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo Racing 1:17.220
18 George Russell Williams 1:17.232
19 Nicholas Latifi Williams 1:17.320
20 Kevin Magnussen Haas 1:17.348
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Post by speedysteve on Sept 12, 2020 20:01:00 GMT
Great track Mugello.
Sim'd it a lot 😀
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Post by MartinT on Sept 12, 2020 21:37:57 GMT
There's one camera angle looking over the esses where the turning speed of the cars looks totally awesome.
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Post by speedysteve on Sept 12, 2020 21:47:06 GMT
Flat out, they just stick.
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Post by MartinT on Sept 13, 2020 17:37:56 GMT
Absolute madness at Mugello today and a race to remember. Two lots of big crashes, two red flags and two race restarts.
I can't describe it all so watch the race highlights on YouTube.
One thing became clear: Bottas is simply no match for Hamilton. He had three chances to take the lead; Hamilton overtook him the first time and then twice more Hamilton simply shot into the lead. LH44 also played a blinder into the last two laps, enticing Bottas to get close and lose his tyres, then piling on the electric deployment thus denying Bottas DRS into the last lap. Impressive strategic intelligence.
Result
1 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes
2 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 4.880s
3 Alex Albon Red Bull 8.064s
4 Daniel Ricciardo Renault 10.417s
5 Sergio Perez Racing Point 15.775s
6 Lando Norris McLaren 18.883s
7 Daniil Kvyat AlphaTauri 21.756s
8 Charles Leclerc Ferrari 28.345s
9 Kimi Raikkonen Alfa Romeo Racing 29.770s
10 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 29.983s
11 George Russell Williams 32.404s
12 Romain Grosjean Haas 42.036s
Did not finish
Lance Stroll Racing Point crash
Esteban Ocon Renault brakes
Kevin Magnussen Haas crash
Antonio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo
Carlos Sainz McLaren crash
Nicholas Latifi Williams crash
Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri crash
Max Verstappen Red Bull crash
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Post by speedysteve on Sept 13, 2020 19:24:30 GMT
Nice bit of mostly DRS racing.
Hammy on 90 wins. One short of Schu.
Honda robbed us of a Max v Merc race I fear
Nice 1st podium for Albon. Good recovery after restart loss of places.
12 finishers!
Carbon fibre mat factory heaven.
Lewis' flame retardant under garment message spot on👍
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Post by MartinT on Sept 13, 2020 21:14:18 GMT
I see 12 drivers have received warnings from the stewards!
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Post by MartinT on Sept 23, 2020 10:09:41 GMT
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Post by Dave on Sept 23, 2020 10:24:19 GMT
I like Stefano, he is one of the good guys. What's your take on Vettel going to Aston, Martin? (see what I did there?  ) |
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Post by MartinT on Sept 23, 2020 13:22:50 GMT
It's a difficult one, Dave. Part of me thinks Vettel lucked into a great car and won four world championships based on a huge advantage. He was never a particularly good close-combat racer and he has done badly at Ferrari not just because of the poor car.
On the other hand, he's quite likeable and I do hope he can flourish once more under what will undoubtedly become a team to be reckoned with under Stroll's investment and the AM name. This is his last chance, though. If he isn't immediately superior to Lance then his days will be numbered.
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Post by Dave on Sept 24, 2020 9:33:37 GMT
I'm pretty much on the same page as you, Vettel is undoubtedly a talented driver but he is flawed, a diamond in the rough. He is seemingly okay as long as his team mate knows his place, things are going his way and he is in the lead (or at least in contention for the lead), when he is out of contention though it would appear that he just gives up. This trait has always been there but it has got worse as Vettel has got older, probably because the car he's been given is not up to snuff. This is a damning indictment for sure, but I envisage Vettel as a slightly more talented Romain Grojean. If Seb was in the same team as Hamilton, Louis would eat him for breakfast, lunch and tea.
As for Aston Martin, despite all the extra pennies Daddy Stroll is bringing to the outfit, I am concerned that we may see a repeat of the Jaguar F1 situation. The brand is in a tenuous financial position just now (isn't it always?) and I do not expect them to exist in F1 for more than three to four seasons.
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Post by MartinT on Sept 24, 2020 12:14:04 GMT
You're right about AM - great name, but on shaky ground right now.
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Post by MartinT on Sept 26, 2020 22:22:39 GMT
Q2 was almost a disaster for Hamilton, but he got past the line with about 1.5s to spare to set a time and get through to Q3 and win pole. Vettel had a bad crash.
Times
1 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:31.304
2 Max Verstappen Red Bull 0.563s
3 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 0.652s
4 Sergio Perez Racing Point 1.013s
5 Daniel Ricciardo Renault 1.060s
6 Carlos Sainz McLaren 1.246
7 Esteban Ocon Renault 1.320s
8 Lando Norris McLaren 1.543
9 Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri 1.696s
10 Alex Albon Red Bull 1.704s
11 Charles Leclerc Ferrari 1:33.239
12 Daniil Kvyat AlphaTauri 1:33.249
13 Lance Stroll Racing Point 1:33.365
14 George Russell Williams 1:33.583
15 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 1:33.609
16 Romain Grosjean Haas 1:34.592
17 Antonio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo Racing 1:34.594
18 Kevin Magnussen Haas 1:34.681
19 Nicholas Latifi Williams 1:35.066
20 Kimi Raikkonen Alfa Romeo Racing 1:35.267
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Post by speedysteve on Sept 27, 2020 12:30:48 GMT
Skin of teeth - love it!
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Post by MartinT on Sept 27, 2020 14:53:37 GMT
It was a very strange race with Hamilton getting into all sorts of trouble and the race action happening at the back of the pack. Sainz made a terrible error at the start, hitting a wall.
The Hammy 10 point penalties were an odd thing. Was I the only one who heard him ask the team if he could do the practice starts further forward and get the ok? Bad way to spoil his day, and a decent recovery to 3rd all things considered. Bottas had little challenge from Verstappen, which was a shame. I'm still not convinced by Albon. Stroll was unlucky to be taken out by Leclerc.
Result
1 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes
2 Max Verstappen Red Bull 7.729s
3 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 22.729s
4 Sergio Perez Racing Point 30.558s
5 Daniel Ricciardo Renault 47.267s
6 Charles Leclerc Ferrari 61.635s
7 Esteban Ocon Renault 66.352s
8 Daniil Kvyat AlphaTauri 66.777s
9 Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri 89.307s
10 Alex Albon Red Bull 92.474s
11 Antonio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo Racing 1 LAP
12 Kevin Magnussen Haas 1 LAP
13 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 1 LAP
14 Kimi Raikkonen Alfa Romeo Racing 1 LAP
15 Lando Norris McLaren 1 LAP
16 Nicholas Latifi Williams 1 LAP
17 Romain Grosjean Haas 1 LAP
18 George Russell Williams 1 LAP
Did not finish
Carlos Sainz McLaren crash lap 1
Lance Stroll Racing Point crash lap 1
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Post by Clive on Sept 27, 2020 15:03:24 GMT
I see there is room for misinterpretation with the race director's notes about practice starts....they say "after the lights", not immediately after. However I don't believe it's normal to do such starts at the end of the filter lane. Legally Merc may have a point but realistically most of us would have thought it's wrong. 2 penalties though are excessive.
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Post by Clive on Sept 27, 2020 16:43:12 GMT
Penalty points removed and Merc fined 25k. Maybe someone pointed out the ambiguous notes and how they read to native English speakers.
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Post by robbiegong on Sept 27, 2020 16:48:56 GMT
Lewis responded to one 'why' question regarding if he thought the penalty was harsh by saying they want to stop him.
As Karun Chandhok and other Sky commentators said, he's likely said that in the heat of the moment/battle, fresh from the race full of disappointment etc and that after he comes down a bit and has had the team debrief he'll probably see it different.
The truth is Merc are exceptionally good, but like all things, not perfect.
This is not the first time they've cost him a race by telling him to do something they shouldn't have.
They cost him a race win at the Italian Grand Prix when he was told to pit and again today, they should know the rules, that there are penalties associated with where you can and cant do practice starts.
Strange today that this happened. Two race wins down the pan is no joke, regardless of if you are winning plenty of races or not.
It's cost him penalties, race wins and more points on his licence (he's now close to a race ban), who's to say it wont ultimately cost him more - I sincerely hope not.
Mercedes need to protect their prize asset much better and stop this silly waste of points they are costing him.
At the end of the day LH is doing everything and more inside the car, they need to ensure they cover off their bit, outside of the car, properly.
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