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Post by Chris on Nov 26, 2019 7:14:39 GMT
Streaming,for me,has greatly improved my listening sessions. Love it.
I'm like Martin - I'll have a wee browse through the threads to see what everyone's listening too,then track them down through various sites. I like Tidal best myself. I've never been a big album fan - never been into vinyl - so the whole idea of tailored playlists that suit me is just great.
On the emotional side - yeah,I do still buy a CD every now n then of an album that means a bit to me. I also buy cheap CDs in the charity shop for in the car(haven't bluetoothed it up yet,but that's in progress) and I'll listen to them for a while then just take a carrier bag full back and start again.
Won't be much of a music collection to leave anyone mind!
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Post by jandl100 on Nov 26, 2019 7:34:38 GMT
Won't be much of a music collection to leave anyone mind! Who wants Dad's crappy taste in music, anyway? They can stream whatever they want, wherever they want ...... now there's an idea!
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Post by MartinT on Nov 26, 2019 8:04:17 GMT
Who wants Dad's crappy taste in music, anyway? I reckon Simon would tolerate about 20% of my collection. That's not a bad hit rate
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Post by MikeMusic on Nov 26, 2019 13:06:32 GMT
Well, David lives in an exalted realm many levels above us humble serfs. Good luck to him, I say. May his karma visit him and be with him
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Post by jandl100 on Nov 26, 2019 13:08:29 GMT
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Post by Chris on Nov 26, 2019 21:44:29 GMT
Well, David lives in an exalted realm many levels above us humble serfs. Good luck to him, I say. May his karma visit him and be with him Just watch out for dodgy postage deals if it does
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Post by Tim on Nov 27, 2019 10:40:41 GMT
Now that a few people here have switched their listening to almost or completely exclusively relying onstreaming, I am interested to know whether it has made you a bit more flighty in your habits. I will explain. I am wondering whether not having bought a physical embodiment of the music, you are a little less emotionally invested in it after a while? Six monthss after having discovered a new piece of music that you enjoy, are you less likely to go back and play it again, because it's not sitting there in a shelf to remind you that you bought it? Have you, in some way moved on to something else new, or will you be playing that music for years to come? Interesting question Chris and my only real change over the last decade has been switching to a music server to play around 70%+ of my music as FLAC, rather than CD (is that streaming?). I'm still using JRiver and like the interface as I can flip through the album art to help select what takes my mood. I use Spotify pretty much just for discovery (no real change there), or playing albums I don't think it's worth buying, but would like to hear - I don't tend to wander aimlessly much, I'd rather do that through my own library. Spotify is more cumbersome to use than JRiver and I still buy CDs that I want to own, despite the fact they'll sit in a draw and rarely if ever emerge again after being ripped and the cover art scanned. I still don't own a Pi, my server does all I need.
I have slowed right down on purchasing though, mostly as I think 4,500+ albums is probably enough to be going on with and the fact I don't have the budget since being retired, I need to buy whisky too! The net effect of this, is I'm spending more time delving into my collection. I tend to buy most of my CDs direct from the artist now, which is nice as they can sign it. I think I've bought less than 20 CDs this year and a few LPs. That's a massive drop, but not because of Spotify.
As always, I play albums from start to finish as I really don't like playlists - great for parties though.
So I still buy music, especially if I can put pound notes into the hands of people I like. But I'm buying much less, not so much because of Spotify, but because I was in danger of neglecting the music I already have, which is kind of your point maybe?
I just looked at my Last.fm stats and over the last 30 days I've played 1300 songs and the top 10 artists I've played have been 7 from my own library and 3 from Spotify - so that guess of 70% was bang on. Got quite a surprise when I looked actually, Miles Davis = 391 plays, busy boy that Miles!
So yes, I think I'll be playing the music I own for many years to come - streaming Spotify is a useful addition to my music enjoyment, but not a replacement and I don't think it ever will be, unless I tire of the music I already own.
And isn't it comforting to see that David Brooks is still David Brooks - not everything has to change
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Post by MartinT on Nov 27, 2019 10:43:29 GMT
Hey Tim, nice to see you back in these parts. How is retirement working out for you?
If your music buying has slowed down, how is your gig attendance lately?
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Post by Tim on Nov 27, 2019 11:13:01 GMT
Hey Tim, nice to see you back in these parts. How is retirement working out for you? If your music buying has slowed down, how is your gig attendance lately? Retirement is hard work you know, it takes effort to get it right
Gigs themselves are a little less, but I go to more festivals now, as I have the time (and a tent with a woodstove) - so the capital outlay and amount of live music consumption is about the same.
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Post by MartinT on Nov 27, 2019 11:20:12 GMT
Retirement is hard work you know, it takes effort to get it right Five years and counting for me. I won't mind putting the effort in!
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Post by Tim on Nov 27, 2019 12:02:01 GMT
I think geography has more to do with less gigs though Martin - not being rude to the Welsh (I am half Welsh anyway), but culturally there aren't the audiences here for much outside mainstream entertainment. You can sell out St. David's Hall with Lulu, but tonight Vladimir Ashkenazy and the Philharmonia are playing Sibelius 2 and Sayaka Shoji, Brahms Violin Concerto. It's not even half sold, so if people don't go, they don't come. So I have to travel for gigs, as many artists won't cross the bridge for a handful of ticket sales. Ed Sheeran however sold out 4 nights in the Principality Stadium, so that gives you an idea what floats their boat?
When I was in Dorset, a trip to London was easy, drive in, park, gig and home by about 1.00am. Now a London gig has to be an overnight stay and works out expensive. A 50 quid night out previously has now become a 150 quid night out!
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Post by MartinT on Nov 27, 2019 12:53:29 GMT
Good point!
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Post by Clive on Nov 27, 2019 20:36:42 GMT
I'm not an avid streamer as I have a lot of digital music on SSD and records, however I use Spotify and am trying Tidal. How do others find Tidal? Vs files from my SSD there's no competition. Tidal is brittle sounding very "digital" in a bad way. I'm using either HiFi mode or Masters. Maybe it's the Limetree I'm using.
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Post by John on Nov 27, 2019 20:45:13 GMT
I have tried Tidal several times and just do not enjoy it. I am trying it again but it just does not involve me in the music. I still prefer files. But I can quite happily stream all-day long.
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Post by petea on Nov 27, 2019 20:54:42 GMT
I use Tidal via Naim streamers although not using the Naim PSUs and not using the internal DACs in the main systems - it is just convenient. That limits me to the 16/44 service as Naim does not support MQA unfolding. The route I use does not seem to sound brittle and is fine, but not as good as playing files from a dedicated music server (Fidata), CD (Lector) or vinyl I think. As I said above, I find streaming (via Tidal) useful for trying out new music and for albums that I am not inclined to buy on physical media (or as High res. downloads).
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Post by MartinT on Nov 27, 2019 21:00:27 GMT
In my comparisons so far, I prefer Qobuz over Tidal.
You do realise that by the time the data reaches the DAC, files and streaming are the same? The quality is all in the timing.
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Post by Clive on Nov 27, 2019 21:12:37 GMT
Yeah the data must be the same. I'm even comparing tracks from same albums as far as I can tell. It's like going back years with my system. As John says I too don't enjoy Tidal. It's just too jarring.
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Post by petea on Nov 27, 2019 21:20:48 GMT
In my comparisons so far, I prefer Qobuz over Tidal. You do realise that by the time the data reaches the DAC, files and streaming are the same? The quality is all in the timing. True, but in my case my streaming option limits me to the same resolution as CD (although I prefer the way my CD/DAC combination renders the content over my streamer and - different - DAC) whereas if I buy a high resolution file from HighResAudio I often have access to 96/24 or 192/24 files. I am slowly ripping me 'least favourite' CDs to the server though, but that is to save space mainly.
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Post by jandl100 on Nov 27, 2019 21:39:00 GMT
Hmm, interesting comments about TIDAL and streaming in general. It would be really interesting to hear your systems!! - my guess is that we would all prefer our own.
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Post by petea on Nov 27, 2019 21:45:17 GMT
Yes, but bear in mind that mine is mostly black whereas Martin's is silver! Just saying...
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