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Post by jandl100 on Apr 30, 2021 7:00:54 GMT
I'm surprised you haven't got hold of a cheap temporary amp just to keep the music going!
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Post by realysm42 on Apr 30, 2021 7:15:12 GMT
I've been toying with the idea of just using one monoblock to power both speakers in the interim.
They're a 5 ohm load nominal, which mean the amp will see 2.5 ohms... What would you do if you were me?
I mean... I'm sure this beefy mono could handle the job, I wouldn't be playing at anything more than moderate until the other one is back.
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Post by user211 on Apr 30, 2021 7:54:24 GMT
They are 380W into four Ohms.
That said I have a pair of Accuphase monos that are over 500 Watts into 4 Ohms and managed to blow 4 output transistors in one driving them hard.
So be careful.
Ask Nick personally. He'll know how they cope with 2.5 Ohms.
I'd be surprised if one couldn't cope as reasonable levels, though.
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Post by realysm42 on Apr 30, 2021 8:03:13 GMT
Thanks Justin.
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Post by jandl100 on Apr 30, 2021 8:16:23 GMT
What Justin means by driving his speakers hard is that if you open your window in Australia you'll hear them in the background.
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Post by realysm42 on Apr 30, 2021 8:22:23 GMT
What Justin means by driving his speakers hard is that if you open your window in Australia you'll hear them in the background. Ha ha - I won't be aiming for 'face-melt' volume. I've asked Nick so will see what he comes back with.
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Post by MikeMusic on Apr 30, 2021 14:52:05 GMT
Nice looking setup
You have more patience than me Martin.
Do you anticipate feedback from the speakers to the system ?
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Post by user211 on Apr 30, 2021 16:24:20 GMT
What Justin means by driving his speakers hard is that if you open your window in Australia you'll hear them in the background. I must admit it wasn't quiet. And it wasn't quiet for about 4-5 hours. Of course I am as deaf as a post so it doesn't affect me;)
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Post by realysm42 on May 1, 2021 4:43:37 GMT
Nice looking setup You have more patience than me Martin. Do you anticipate feedback from the speakers to the system ? I'm not sure I follow Mike - feedback? My concern with wiring up two speakers to one amp is that the amp will see double the impedance, or in other words it will have to work twice as hard for the same volume as if it were wired normally. I have caved btw and wired up both speakers, so I'm listening to a 'dual left channel' signal through both speakers. The only music that isn't really impacted (in terms of soundstage) is electronic stuff; albums with proper soundstages of course suffer although as per some people's comments here, the image I do get is still solid. I can out up with as an interim solution and of course will be burning in both speakers uniformly now. When I'm not about I use my trusty Isotek burn in track on repeat.
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Post by MikeMusic on May 1, 2021 8:40:19 GMT
Nice looking setup You have more patience than me Martin. Do you anticipate feedback from the speakers to the system ? I'm not sure I follow Mike - feedback? My concern with wiring up two speakers to one amp is that the amp will see double the impedance, or in other words it will have to work twice as hard for the same volume as if it were wired normally. I have caved btw and wired up both speakers, so I'm listening to a 'dual left channel' signal through both speakers. The only music that isn't really impacted (in terms of soundstage) is electronic stuff; albums with proper soundstages of course suffer although as per some people's comments here, the image I do get is still solid. I can out up with as an interim solution and of course will be burning in both speakers uniformly now. When I'm not about I use my trusty Isotek burn in track on repeat. With the speakers so close to the kit. The RDC cones can mitigate or eliminate that. Always a horrible decision, listen to the music or take a risk on blowing up the kit Hope you can get the full system up soon
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Post by realysm42 on May 1, 2021 11:05:59 GMT
I'm not sure I follow Mike - feedback? My concern with wiring up two speakers to one amp is that the amp will see double the impedance, or in other words it will have to work twice as hard for the same volume as if it were wired normally. I have caved btw and wired up both speakers, so I'm listening to a 'dual left channel' signal through both speakers. The only music that isn't really impacted (in terms of soundstage) is electronic stuff; albums with proper soundstages of course suffer although as per some people's comments here, the image I do get is still solid. I can out up with as an interim solution and of course will be burning in both speakers uniformly now. When I'm not about I use my trusty Isotek burn in track on repeat. With the speakers so close to the kit. The RDC cones can mitigate or eliminate that. Always a horrible decision, listen to the music or take a risk on blowing up the kit Hope you can get the full system up soon Ah yes, I'm with you - my bad. I'm sure there will be some degree of feedback from these speakers to the system and I suppose this is just how it will have to be until I move somewhere more suitable. Our next move will be back to the UK; Australia has been amazing but home is home. I aim to pick somewhere where these can really breathe properly. I heard their big brothers at Greg's place, it was amazing to understand the kind of SPLs they can produce (FAR more than I'll ever realistically need) whilst remaining completely distortion free. 'Alarming' volume levels is an apt description 🤣 They're completely unflappable. I didn't get round to how these speakers actually sound in my initial write up, let me fix that; I suppose I still can't provide a truly accurate description, given I'm not listening to true stereo and out of one mono amp, plus they're not near to being burnt in. Massive caveat(s) out of the way I will provide my initial impressions: 'Coherent' is the first word that comes to mind; they produce a significant amount more information than I'm used to, lots of new nuance is displayed and you don't have to listen hard to notice - it's quite clear. Having said that, the sound is not etched or bright, they sound neutral and effortless from top to bottom. If you've ever lowered the noise floor on a digital source (e.g. better clocks) it's akin to this change, calmer, more self-assured sound with just 'more of everything' - a win-win. What's been fascinating for me is graduating to a three way design and the bass implementation here is no afterthought. I'm getting a bottom end I've never had before (barring the odd scary room-mode lol!). The bass is articulate, properly proportioned (or, not overblown and bloated) and it provides a great foundation that the rest of the sound just works up from. This is apparent at even very low volume levels, you don't need to crank them to hear the subs' contribution. Well recorded music has an exciting propulsion to percussion; I'm loving this! Of course, this frees up the marvellous Scanspeak mid to work unimpeded. The trio behind 'Dead and born and grown' are separated better than ever, real space between them and their individual voices have clearer deliniation, yet sound sweeter and more tuneful - marvellous stuff. I won't comment on soundstaging yet as I'm unable to really; once my other amp is returned I'll go into this more. Although, when I had the Cyber 880I in that first night, the soundstage was a lot wider than the speakers (sometimes by a couple of meters) when a recording contained this information - this was new and exciting for me to experience. I must admit, I was a tad uncomfortable about losing the Galan's lovely ribbon tweeter, that thing is quite remarkable but I needn't have worried, the SEAS top of the range silk dome is extended, crisp, detailed and non-fatiguing. Yes there is beryllium and diamond above this but Greg said he picked this model for a reason - I like what I'm hearing. I do wonder where all this extra information, coherence and confidence is coming from; is it the superb driver complement, lead-lined cabinets (which btw pass the knuckle wrap test perfectly, as you'd expect), massively upgraded crossover or uncompromising 'sound first' (plus WTF is WAF?!) build values? Likely a happy combination of all of the above. I've also recommissioned my Franc isolation platforms, which decouple the speakers from the floor via a combination of aluminium base, plastic and foam in the platform itself and 12x ceramic balls to 'float' each footer. The floor doesn't sing along with them which is significant. So what now? More Isotek burn-in track whenever I'm walking the dog and crawling up the walls waiting for the prodigal amp to return! As I'm on a roll with my ramble I'll add one final thought - I believe in balancing the potential of every component in a system. There isn't a science to this of course, but I think with the calibre of components in the chain, I had unlocked ~60/80% of their potential and I was waiting for a great pair of speakers to really let them show what they're capable. This acquisition has unlocked this latent potential; I'll finally be able to discover what the other parts are actually capable of and I'm excited to find out!
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Post by MartinT on May 1, 2021 11:31:43 GMT
Our next move will be back to the UK; Australia has been amazing but home is home. Gosh, if I was in Australia again I would not make the mistake of coming back! Sounds good, Martin, and giving your speakers room to breath will definitely yield results. You may at some future point want to consider Townshend Podiums or Jerry's loose coupling pads for them. Big speakers really sound great when fully decoupled from the floor.
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Post by realysm42 on May 1, 2021 12:24:35 GMT
Our next move will be back to the UK; Australia has been amazing but home is home. Gosh, if I was in Australia again I would not make the mistake of coming back! Sounds good, Martin, and giving your speakers room to breath will definitely yield results. You may at some future point want to consider Townshend Podiums or Jerry's loose coupling pads for them. Big speakers really sound great when fully decoupled from the floor. Everyone says that! I've been here for six plus years now and I just have never felt properly settled. We figure if we were going to feel that it would have happened by now. Plus we have no family out here, it's sad not having family nearby to share our kids with. I don't mean babysitting btw! Townshends are definitely part of my upgrade trajectory, I'm excited to add them into the mix.
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Post by MikeMusic on May 1, 2021 12:29:59 GMT
My brother went to Oz in the 80s for a year Wife and four kids later he's still there !
Look forward to seeing you when you get back to sunny (joke !) England
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Post by realysm42 on May 1, 2021 13:15:00 GMT
My brother went to Oz in the 80s for a year Wife and four kids later he's still there ! Look forward to seeing you when you get back to sunny (joke !) England Whereabouts is he based Mike? Yeah it'd be great to put faces to names after all these years tbh.
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Post by MikeMusic on May 1, 2021 14:02:27 GMT
My brother went to Oz in the 80s for a year Wife and four kids later he's still there ! Look forward to seeing you when you get back to sunny (joke !) England Whereabouts is he based Mike? Yeah it'd be great to put faces to names after all these years tbh. Sydney. Hopefully still with a job... Likewise. Music will be played !
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Post by petea on May 1, 2021 14:43:14 GMT
Gosh, if I was in Australia again I would not make the mistake of coming back! Sounds good, Martin, and giving your speakers room to breath will definitely yield results. You may at some future point want to consider Townshend Podiums or Jerry's loose coupling pads for them. Big speakers really sound great when fully decoupled from the floor. Everyone says that! I've been here for six plus years now and I just have never felt properly settled. We figure if we were going to feel that it would have happened by now. Plus we have no family out here, it's sad not having family nearby to share our kids with. I don't mean babysitting btw! Townshends are definitely part of my upgrade trajectory, I'm excited to add them into the mix. And Max is Australian of course, so...
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Post by realysm42 on May 4, 2021 11:10:50 GMT
Alright! The speakers have been run from one mono amp, overnight using my Isotek full range burn in disc and then classical music during the day (so as to maintain sanity within the household) for a good few days now. This has been on the minimum volume setting as standard.
I calculated it would take ~10 days of nonstop play to fully burn them in this way, so I'm likely just under half way. All very approximate of course.
I've just imbued as few measures of tasty whisky and turned them up (just a tad) and have been running through a few tracks. First of all I wanted to know if they would sugar coat / polish the sound of poor recordings. The answer is a resolute no!
This is a good; they take no prisoners and more importantly I know there is no omission in this area. I want them to be able to tell the whole truth and I see this as an important part of that.
So what about better recordings? They're definitely starting to sing; they're more articulate and have a greater sense of ease about them, I can see further into music. They do everything better than any other speaker in my system by a considerable margin and frankly, they should, given their size and cost increase.
Have you ever felt when things click into place, the music makes more sense? This is what's happening here and one of the things I just love about this hobby, unlocking the latent potential in your music collection.
What I've not let myself do yet is really let go of my analytical mindset; this is no fault of the speakers, knowing one amp is missing means things just aren't right for me (I've been surprised at just how jarring I've found this - being a perfectionist is not a good thing!) and will not be until the amp is back in the system, then I will be able to relax and genuinely enjoy myself.
Until then, the great burn in continues. By the time everything is back in its proper place I should be ~70% burnt in and will report back then. I'll also turn these mothers up and see what they're really capable of!
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Post by realysm42 on May 4, 2021 11:22:23 GMT
Also, having such tall speakers means I've been able to place my Acoustic Revive RR-888 at >1.5m (which is the recommended minimum height) and this has really boosted it's effectiveness; it's hard to describe it's benefit on the sound directly, it increases the palpability and spaciousness of music when it's on.
I jokingly call it 'the golden box of pointlessness' with Jessie (try explaining how that thing works to your unimpressed other half) but I would not be without it.
Also, incase you've not heard it, this jazz album is superb, first and foremost musically but also for its audiophile credentials:
Evolution: Seeds and Streams (John Ellis)
Check it out! I used to actively hate jazz, but couldn't help falling in love after hearing examples like this, it's good for my soul!
Matthew Halsall is a superb jazz artist worthy of attention also. Check out Oneness / Colour yes / sending my love. His music is healing.
Oh alright one more... Makaya McCraven is an amazing jazz drummer, he's got a few albums out (Universal beings / In the moment) where he's recorded his live improvisation sessions with other artists. Amazing stuff.
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Post by MartinT on May 4, 2021 11:58:45 GMT
Evolution: Seeds and Streams (John Ellis) Thanks, Martin. I'll definitely give that a go!
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