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Post by orange55 on Mar 29, 2024 12:13:24 GMT
How about an Auralic Aries G1? I know two people with these and I have been impressed. They have a great transparency to the sound. |
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Post by julesd68 on Mar 29, 2024 13:58:24 GMT
The project Stream Box S2 Ultra is certainly a decent performer. Is close in EQ to many others that are near the same price or a bit more expensive. I would suspect with the Innuos Pulse Mini as well. What format do you intend to stream in Brett - Quobuz? |
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Post by brettj on Mar 29, 2024 22:43:38 GMT
The project Stream Box S2 Ultra is certainly a decent performer. Is close in EQ to many others that are near the same price or a bit more expensive. I would suspect with the Innuos Pulse Mini as well. What format do you intend to stream in Brett - Quobuz? I've let my Qobuz subscription lapse. Will probably resubscribe for the year in May. Also attached to my daughter's Spotify, but haven't used that in my system. |
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Post by brettj on Mar 29, 2024 22:45:48 GMT
How about an Auralic Aries G1? The Auralic Aries G1 sold last night for £800. A very good price. I couldn't quite afford it at the moment anyway. |
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Post by orange55 on Mar 30, 2024 11:07:32 GMT
How about an Auralic Aries G1? The Auralic Aries G1 sold last night for £800. A very good price. I couldn't quite afford it at the moment anyway. wow that was a very good price. |
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Post by brettj on Mar 31, 2024 4:29:17 GMT
How about an Auralic Aries G1? The Auralic Aries G1 sold last night for £800. A very good price. I couldn't quite afford it at the moment anyway. Ain't life a kicker. Got paid for three jobs today. So could have bought the Aries G1. Must mean, it wasn't to be. |
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Post by mattspl on Mar 31, 2024 8:31:19 GMT
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Post by Fro on Mar 31, 2024 17:18:20 GMT
Incoming is this bad boy - Taiko Extreme music server/Streamer.  |
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Post by mattspl on Mar 31, 2024 17:34:23 GMT
Incoming is this bad boy - Taiko Extreme music server/Streamer. Impressive! Please let us know how it sounds. What is it replacing? |
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Post by Fro on Mar 31, 2024 17:53:27 GMT
Thanks.
This will be replacing the formidable Aurender N30SA, which was a great music server for me.
Hoping this one takes it to the next level!
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Post by HD Music & Test on Mar 31, 2024 18:03:31 GMT
I have both, and still prefer the N30SA for naturalness,flow texture and depth the Taiko wins out on uber detail, slam and balls. Not a fan of roon. Depending on your system either one can work well. But both can improved by clocking.
Oh and you must obatin the matching Taiko network switch as well it does work well. I designed and built my own it ties in with our clocking and grounding schemes, but have quite a few chaps with this and its good but for £5K it ought to be!
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Post by mayebaza on Apr 1, 2024 10:02:40 GMT
I have just placed three AUVA Equipment Isolators with some ols isopod cones on top under my amp, results are highly noticeable. Imaging is now spookily more musical, in the sense of I am now in the room where the music is being created rather than the acoustics of the room coming from my speakers. There are now no speakers, just the music!
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Post by HD Music & Test on Apr 1, 2024 10:05:29 GMT
I was going to suggest a changing one streamer for another at this level isn't a tweak honest guv  |
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Post by NigelB on Apr 3, 2024 6:50:33 GMT
Audioquest Diamond for example, if we talk ethernet cables only. When you think about it, it doesn´t feel right to have electronics at all close to your streamer, in the ethernet signal chain. No matter how good power supply you have it is still a power supply and electronics, which means noise. If one can get passive filters to do the last cleaning up, that feel most logic to me.  It depends on what the electronics are and what they do. I don't know anyone who has compared passive filters with a powered switch or an optical break and has chosen the latter; it's important to not let a vague idea get in the way of actual listening. |
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Post by NigelB on Apr 3, 2024 6:53:01 GMT
you'd be welcome to bring your Stream Box to compare with the Pulse/Zen Mini I couldn't help smiling at this. Brett lives just a tad further away... The invitation stands!  |
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Post by Tobias on Apr 3, 2024 7:38:11 GMT
Audioquest Diamond for example, if we talk ethernet cables only. When you think about it, it doesn´t feel right to have electronics at all close to your streamer, in the ethernet signal chain. No matter how good power supply you have it is still a power supply and electronics, which means noise. If one can get passive filters to do the last cleaning up, that feel most logic to me. It depends on what the electronics are and what they do. I don't know anyone who has compared passive filters with a powered switch or an optical break and has chosen the latter; it's important to not let a vague idea get in the way of actual listening. What do you mean by vague ideas? The Networks Accoustics Muon Pro Streaming System (passive filter) is an example of such ferrit core technology, that isn´t exactly a vague idea, that many has spent time listened to. It gets great reviews and people who try it seem to be very happy with the results. It clearly can replace switches or optical breaks (with very good power supply), and seem to better them in most situations. It is expensive as of today but the technology used is not rocket science it seems. |
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Post by HD Music & Test on Apr 3, 2024 7:45:02 GMT
I have an invitation for you, I am happy to set up both passive and active switches and filters and clearly demonstrate if any differenices are present on a world class industry standard measurmemnt system. Have performed this a number of times, its quite interesting how and what changes depending on the technology involved.
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Post by NigelB on Apr 3, 2024 9:29:23 GMT
It depends on what the electronics are and what they do. I don't know anyone who has compared passive filters with a powered switch or an optical break and has chosen the latter; it's important to not let a vague idea get in the way of actual listening. What do you mean by vague ideas? The Networks Accoustics Muon Pro Streaming System (passive filter) is an example of such ferrit core technology, that isn´t exactly a vague idea, that many has spent time listened to. It gets great reviews and people who try it seem to be very happy with the results. It clearly can replace switches or optical breaks (with very good power supply), and seem to better them in most situations. It is expensive as of today but the technology used is not rocket science it seems. I meant a vague idea like "When you think about it, it doesn´t feel right to have electronics at all close to your streamer, in the ethernet signal chain". I was merely suggesting that, like say passive vs active preamplifiers, what is clearly superior in principle does not always turn out to be in practice. We therefore need to be talking about, and listening comparatively to, multiple specific examples of each if we're to draw any conclusions which may help others.
I am familiar with the Muon Pro, it got HiFi+'s (silver) Highly Commended 2023 award in the category we won gold; I'm sure it's a well-engineered and effective device, I just don't think there is anything inherently superior about passive vs active electronics.
As you say, the technology doesn't have to be rocket science to be highly effective.
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Post by Tobias on Apr 3, 2024 9:47:54 GMT
What do you mean by vague ideas? The Networks Accoustics Muon Pro Streaming System (passive filter) is an example of such ferrit core technology, that isn´t exactly a vague idea, that many has spent time listened to. It gets great reviews and people who try it seem to be very happy with the results. It clearly can replace switches or optical breaks (with very good power supply), and seem to better them in most situations. It is expensive as of today but the technology used is not rocket science it seems. I meant a vague idea like "When you think about it, it doesn´t feel right to have electronics at all close to your streamer, in the ethernet signal chain". I was merely suggesting that, like say passive vs active preamplifiers, what is clearly superior in principle does not always turn out to be in practice. We therefore need to be talking about, and listening comparatively to, multiple specific examples of each if we're to draw any conclusions which may help others.
I am familiar with the Muon Pro, it got HiFi+'s (silver) Highly Commended 2023 award in the category we won gold; I'm sure it's a well-engineered and effective device, I just don't think there is anything inherently superior about passive vs active electronics.
As you say, the technology doesn't have to be rocket science to be highly effective.
I don´t agree, but that is fine. (I can still be wrong!) I would say that passive ethernet filtering is actually inherently superior, when done effectively. You just can´t completely remove electronic sourced noise with added electronics, in my mind. In the HiFi+ review (since you mentioned them) of the Muon filter they even say that they question the need for a switch and that they would go for the Muon first and then decide if you think you need to add a high-end switch in addition. |
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Post by NigelB on Apr 3, 2024 12:08:57 GMT
I meant a vague idea like "When you think about it, it doesn´t feel right to have electronics at all close to your streamer, in the ethernet signal chain". I was merely suggesting that, like say passive vs active preamplifiers, what is clearly superior in principle does not always turn out to be in practice. We therefore need to be talking about, and listening comparatively to, multiple specific examples of each if we're to draw any conclusions which may help others.
I am familiar with the Muon Pro, it got HiFi+'s (silver) Highly Commended 2023 award in the category we won gold; I'm sure it's a well-engineered and effective device, I just don't think there is anything inherently superior about passive vs active electronics.
As you say, the technology doesn't have to be rocket science to be highly effective.
I don´t agree, but that is fine. (I can still be wrong!) I would say that passive ethernet filtering is actually inherently superior, when done effectively. You just can´t completely remove electronic sourced noise with added electronics, in my mind. In the HiFi+ review (since you mentioned them) of the Muon filter they even say that they question the need for a switch and that they would go for the Muon first and then decide if you think you need to add a high-end switch in addition. Yes they did say that. And then they reviewed my switch afterwards and at the end of the year awards judged it superior. I don’t say that to dismiss the Muon Pro or a competitor, just to put the record straight. I’m very pleased that you’re very pleased with your system and the DIY tweak you’ve installed. I’m also very pleased with my own system. Let’s be happy for each other. :-) |
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It depends on what the electronics are and what they do. I don't know anyone who has compared passive filters with a powered switch or an optical break and has chosen the latter; it's important to not let a vague idea get in the way of actual listening.
