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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 5:56:07 GMT
Thanks for getting the plug in the post to me. I look forward to seeing what impact replacing the most important (power) cable in the loom does You are in for a treat. Go to the loo first and make sure you are sitting down Lol that big a difference? Tbh, my speakers are the significant bottleneck in my system right now, I imagine I’m only hearing a small degree of the cable loom upgrade I’ve made. Speaking of which, which speakers do you use Paul?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 8:15:23 GMT
I use Focal Electra 1028 Be speakers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 8:40:17 GMT
I use Focal Electra 1028 Be speakers. Nice, I bet with the be tweeters things have to be nicely balanced or you’re going to know about it! I’ve actually set up my system ‘properly’ today and it’s remarkable how much more information is being presented; makes the hobby so rewarding.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 9:21:11 GMT
Yes I was somewhat delusional about how easy the Focal’s would slot into my system without some tweaking.
They certainly didn’t work well with my previous Exposure amps, which just couldn’t grip hold of them well enough. They balance was all wrong and overly forward and fatigued. With the Belles amp and Coherent cabelling, it’s a transformation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 9:35:29 GMT
Which Belles are you using mate?
I’ve been lusting after a pair of mb200 monos for years, but never actually heard anything from the brand. Only good things from... everyone that’s used them lol.
Do you plan to change more of your loom to Coherent stuff? Tbh I can’t see myself changing brands from now on, I’m not wanting for anything.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 29, 2018 9:53:18 GMT
I doubt that you'd need the Belles monos, Martin. The SA-100 has more grunt than you can imagine into my Ushers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 10:55:32 GMT
I’m using a Belles Aria integrated which was a significant upgrade over my Exposure pre and power which in themselves had a very good reputation. It more than holds its own powering the Focal’s. If you can try one give it a go, it’s a surprisingly good amp for not a lot of money.
I’ve tried a Coherent power cable, and whilst it was certainly better than either of my MCRU cables, I didn’t feel it made enough of a difference to buy at this stage.
I am using a Coherent 5D interconnect too though.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 29, 2018 15:10:05 GMT
You are in for a treat. Go to the loo first and make sure you are sitting down Lol that big a difference? Biggest difference of any of the cables. Probably removing the tea strainer effect
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 15:30:50 GMT
Whereas for me, the biggest difference by far was the speaker cable followed shortly behind by the interconnect.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 18:50:58 GMT
Having taken the hugely scientific approach of gutting the old loom and dropping all of the new stuff in-in one go (a la excited child mode) it’s hard for me to decipher what’s contributed to what tbh.
I’m certain the speaker cables are significant contributors though as the sound just keeps increasingly improving. All I can guess is they continue to open up. The culmination of the new cables is a much lower noise floor, as I keep hearing new details.
Martin - good to know re the amps. I’ve read some interesting stuff on whatsbestforum about the pros and cons of having more than the stated manufacturers requirement for watts. I know there’s more to it than that (eg the speaker, current delivery etc). Don’t monoblocks bring more than just lots more power though?
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Post by MartinT on Jul 29, 2018 19:18:42 GMT
Don’t monoblocks bring more than just lots more power though? They can do, but it's more complication, more power draw, more heat and twice as much to go wrong. My point really was that the SA-100 is plenty enough for most systems and will cost you less.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 19:43:10 GMT
Martin
When you change out the supplying cable to the isotek then it will all fall into place
Cables are very system dependant and every system has a weak point whether that is cables, speakers, amps, mains or room
Yesterday I visited a new customer who system was well in excess of five figures, his speakers were 25k and were comprehensively outclassed by speakers just over half that cost
The next biggest improvement was a mains cables on the power amplifier, yet previously in the week another system it was clearly a source that was at fault closely followed by a pre amplifier
Many years of audio have given me the following thoughts on monoblock and stereo chassis
A correctly implemented stereo power amp gives better separation, soundstaging, articulation ,micro neurones and imho more cohesiveness
A correctly implemented pair of mono chassis should deliver greater overall dynamics, depth of sound stage and layering also a lower noise floor due to each channel bearing totally separate usually more body as well
Now there are dual mono stereo amplifiers which can deliver the best of both worlds and get very close to monoblocks
Again any respectable amplifier manufacturer would have paired the amplifiers up as a matchedpair hopefully +/- 0.4-0.75dB or is that being unrealistic 👍
Currently i I am listening to a 1995 vintage dac that I first purchased some 18 years it has back into my possession again in the last few weeks and it is supremely musical and engaging running direct into a medium powered ampilifer and a modest pair if stand mounts ok I did tinker with the dac back then but man it just sounds so engaging
the joys of audio
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 22:58:25 GMT
Thanks Martin and Tony for the insights.
I’ll stop now as I’m aware this is going way ot!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 12:58:36 GMT
I dont see it as going over the top, more interesting to see others thoughts on what are clearly excellent cables.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 2:54:40 GMT
Paul, I mean off topic, not over the top.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 31, 2018 8:30:59 GMT
Has at least a tenuous connection
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 9:55:49 GMT
Paul, I mean off topic, not over the top. Oops, either way I’m fine
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 21:55:36 GMT
Quick update: I just wired up the high current IEC for the final part of the puzzle - a 6D to feed my mains conditioner (and therefore the whole system).
Initial impressions are positive! I leave the mains conditioner on permanently, so hopefully this cable will be burnt-in in no time.
I'll create my own thread to write up thoughts on what a whole (Coherent) loom does for a system.
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Post by MartinT on Aug 15, 2018 13:29:05 GMT
The BD (previously 6D) cable feeding my P10 is key to the quality of sound I'm getting. When you think about it, your entire system power is going through it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 19:36:25 GMT
I’m going to buy a pair of Quadral Galan 9 speakers very soon; because they’re biwireable I’ve requested a pair of 6d jumpers as well. I’m sure this will be a significant step up in quality of sound as I imagine my current speakers are well out of their depth.
I’ve read lots about the BD jumpers and their impact on sound, I’m sure the 6ds will be better than stock jumpers too 😉
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