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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 12:54:32 GMT
Coherent Systems cables are a new one for me, I have heard and tried many different cables and never thought they were a worthwhile upgrade on my existing cable, so had stayed with my trusty Exposure. When I recently did my upgrades, @tonyc brought along some of his Coherent speaker cable for me to try out and I was shocked by the improvement it made in the system. In short, it appears to enable the system to breath, it has totally opened up the sound stage, both width and depth. Vocals are crisper and smoother, bass is significantly tighter and the sound is extremely musical. The upgrade over the Exposure cable I was using before is significant and I couldn't be happier, this upgrade has enabled me to enjoy my system even further, by disappearing and allowing the music to flow through the system. Mighty impressive stuff. If you are looking for a speaker cable that just allows the music to flow, then this is worth considering seriously.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 17, 2018 13:52:17 GMT
Running Coherent's 6D speaker cables and BD jumpers, I can second Paul's findings. They comfortably trumped The TQ Ultra Blacks I was using before, which themselves beat the super-expensive Kimber Select KS-3035 I was using before that. Speaker cables have come a long way.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 17, 2018 14:12:34 GMT
I tried Coherent 6D and BD jumpers when I was trying out the Belles Monoblocks and TAD E1 speakers.
They all stayed and are now part of a great sounding system
The speaker cables were a nice step up from my Exposure cables. Whereas the BD jumpers were a huge step up from the standard jumpers
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Post by julesd68 on Jul 17, 2018 14:27:32 GMT
You've made some serious changes to your system recently Paul!
Anything on the horizon?
Are you staying 'low key' with the vinyl side of things or will that get looked at too?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 21:22:24 GMT
Interesting; I’ve just come back from a demo in the UK of Tony’s gear and got the system all hooked up with 6d stuff. I’m burning it in right now.
I look forward to comparing notes with you! Congratulations on the upgrade.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 12:35:15 GMT
Will be interesting to know your thoughts.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 12:37:20 GMT
You've made some serious changes to your system recently Paul! Anything on the horizon? Are you staying 'low key' with the vinyl side of things or will that get looked at too? I doubt I will be upgrading the turntable any time soon, if ever to be honest, Jules. I use it too rarely to make it financially sensible. I've recently bought a Pi with Digi One, so will probably invest in upgrading that a bit, maybe getting a decent power supply for it and the Beresford. But nothing for a while as all of my hifi pennies have now evaporated.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 21:30:51 GMT
How many hours have you had on your new cables now Paul?
I’ve left them burning in over the last couple of days and nights and they’re opening up nicely (most of the loom is second hand, so probably doesn’t need much, if any) but the speaker cables are brand new.
What I’ve noticed is unusual. There are some recordings where I know the artist used a mobile microphone to record and it used to leave a nasty ‘cupped hand’ signature on their voice. I thought putting this loom in would make it worse (better cables show more flaws).
In fact that odd colouration has completely vanished. There are other instances where small oddities have gone; what I assumed were flaws in the recording I now think were colourations I’d grown used to.
Everything sounds cleaner and more natural, a tension to the sound has gone. Another oddity is that despite the added quietness and ease to the sound, there’s also more drive and energy to everything, bass is tighter and has more drive and the whole spectrum is more coherent.
What I’m excited about is the main plug (wall to mains) is yet to be fitted, I’m sure as this is such an important lead, it’ll have a large impact to the overall sound quality..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 21:36:01 GMT
Ps apologies for focussing this onto my cables/system; I’m just excited to share in the goodness!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 22:28:44 GMT
Nothing wrong with enthusiasm. My interconnects were new, whereas the speaker cables were used.
I certainly found the interconnect took a long time to get ‘right’, I fact, I was starting to panic when I first plugged it in, because it was harsher and less detailed than my previous cable, but within about 5 days of active use, it was a transformation. Everything opened up and became clearer and more defined, but like you found, the details there, but a lot more palatable and easier on the ear.
I plugged in my previous cable for reference, and let’s just say it lasted for less than a few beats of a song before I wanted the Coherent cable back in the system.
The speaker cable was faster, which I guess was due to it being used, but it took a bit of time.
With all my recent changes, my system has gone from being something I rarely listen to and always turned it off after a short period, to being on a lot more and me wanting to turn the volume up, rather than down.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 1:00:08 GMT
Sounds like magic Paul, your experience is what it’s all about after all.
I actually sold my good interconnects a while back and have been using generic ones for some time. I found myself less interested in the system as a result. I won’t be plugging them back in lol. One reason being they’re so badly built they almost damaged my preamp due to a misshapen rca...
How many hours have you got on them? What music have you used to burn them in?
I’ve been leaving my system on all day and night for two days now, using anIsotek burn in track on repeat. I agree it didn’t sound 100% at first but it’s starting to come on song. I think there’s lots more to come for us.
Btw - I asked Tony; the BD range stands for Bastard Dynamics! Ha ha
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Post by MartinT on Jul 26, 2018 5:19:54 GMT
Mirrors my experiences. I found the power cables took longer to burn-in than the speaker cables.
I have thousands of hours on them all now. Guess they're burned-in all right!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 20:33:27 GMT
3 or 4 days of 24/7 burn in later (I can’t be sure due to jet lag lol) but there’s more of that relaxed quality, along with increased resolution to the sound.
I think one of the signs of a great component is when you get more of two things that there is usually a tension between (resolution/relaxation, bass weight/bass resolution etc).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2018 8:26:29 GMT
I’d say the bass weight has reduced marginally, but I believe that’s because it’s tightened up significantly and there’s less boom.
Interestingly, I always used to have to use the bungs to tune the bass but with these cables I can remove them, which increases weight, and have no ill effects like boom etc.
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Post by MartinT on Jul 27, 2018 9:44:09 GMT
Similarly, I've been able to completely remove the port stuffing I had when the speakers were in my previous room. The bass is so much tighter that I can have the full port augmentation without things overloading in this new room.
Better sound quality often manifests as an apparent lightening of bass but it's just illusion. What has really gone is bloat and room modes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2018 17:43:22 GMT
This is more a power cable question but I’ve just realised my power amp and of psu no longer have transformer him either - can this really be because of a cable change?
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Post by MartinT on Jul 27, 2018 19:54:50 GMT
I doubt it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 7:46:47 GMT
I would suggest only if the cable contained a dc blocker possibly, which our does not.
Another reason for this occurrence is probably a coincidence or another possible underlying issue has been rectified
Martin the plug was sent yesterday.
So currently are you using your original mains lead to power your isotek?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 10:12:54 GMT
Hi Tony,
Thanks for clarifying this. It is odd, I get (intermittent) hum in the evenings where I live and it's stopped, although I admit IDK when this happened specifically.
Yes, I'm still using the MCRU Ultimate MK III to power the Isotek. I'm proud to say I resisted the urge to take the HC IEC plug from said cable and fitting it to the 6D.
Thanks for getting the plug in the post to me. I look forward to seeing what impact replacing the most important (power) cable in the loom does
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Post by MikeMusic on Jul 28, 2018 11:27:01 GMT
Thanks for getting the plug in the post to me. I look forward to seeing what impact replacing the most important (power) cable in the loom does You are in for a treat. Go to the loo first and make sure you are sitting down
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