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Post by rfan8312 on Jun 16, 2018 21:25:53 GMT
It seems to me that the people I've spoken to, and have heard speak, who believe the moon landing was a hoax, act as if they are experts on the subject thanks to material they have collected and observed online.
Like in an experiment I'd heard of, I myself feel like a child in a box unable to see or hear the outside world, with only written messages given to me describing how things are out there, when it comes to knowing what our governments and corporations have been up to.
But, I think we did land on the moon only because I've believed it all my life through television, and because most of the individuals who believe we did not land on the moon come across as silly to me in their presentation.
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Post by Slinger on Jun 16, 2018 21:35:53 GMT
...it begs the question (if you are a non-believer) of how familiar are you with the Apollo project overall and if you aren't that familiar with it, how can you realistically dispute the science? Have you met the internet, Tim? It works like this... i) Someone takes an entrenched position, no matter how ridiculous. ii) Because they've already taken that position before you posted anything, they are automatically in the right. It's first-come-first-served on the internet. iii) It is now up to you to prove that person wrong, as opposed to proving to him that you are right. iv) The man who has claimed (for instance) that the moon landings were faked will not accept that you cannot prove a negative. v) To stop yourself from going insane you cease posting to him, leaving him secure in the knowledge that he has 'defeated' you. vi) You go to your favourite hi-fi forum where you suddenly realise that the bloke you just metaphorically walked away from was actually quite reasonable by comparison. And that's how the internet works. |
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Post by rfan8312 on Jun 16, 2018 22:13:52 GMT
Haha
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Post by Tim on Jun 16, 2018 23:09:45 GMT
Haha classic, love it Slinger  I read that book NASA Mooned America many years ago, before I knew half the things I know now about the Apollo Missions and even then I thought it rather humorous. However, since the arrival of the internet the whole conspiracy theory has actually gained momentum, despite the now very visible evidence of the landing sites, not just from the LRO, but from imagery taken by the Indian and Chinese craft between 2007 and 2009.
Then there's the nearly 400kg of moon rock samples brought back by Apollo, which have been examined and confirmed as genuine by multiple international geologists and compared to material from the Russian probes, which have successfully returned samples to earth on three separate occasions (Luna 16 1970, Luna 20 in 72 and Luna 24 in 76).
The LRRR (Laser Ranging Retro Reflector) data that is still available from the 11, 14 and 15 sites . . . I mean there's just so much evidence now you have to scratch your head and wonder? I guess for some you would need to actually take them to a landing site and say, there you go, explain that then? I guess they would reply, 'well obviously someone put that there just before we arrived' I think for me (apart from the rocks, which is pretty conclusive), the biggest question would be how do you manage to fool the 400,000 people who actually worked on the Apollo project and why have none of them ever shouted foul?
I guess if you aren't interested in it, you might think nobody is exploring the moon any longer, but that's not the case. This might possibly be a surprise to some List of lunar probes That's just probes, not manned missions. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the next feet to walk on the moon weren't Chinese. What the CNSA has achieved so far with an apparent minuscule budget and short development period, is quite impressive. They hope to return samples from the moon next year. Hey ho, as you say tis' the glory of the internet - all good fun though  |
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Post by Mr Whippy on Jun 16, 2018 23:14:22 GMT
Interesting.
Nearly forgot. The Saturn V was the culmination of work done by German engineers the US took to the USA after WW2 in Operation Paperclip and headed by Werner Von Braun, responsible for the V1/2. An absolutely awesome feat of engineering.
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Post by Chris on Jun 17, 2018 0:49:34 GMT
He did a fair bit of work in Scotland did Mr Braun. Developed his rockets on small islands as part of a rocket mail service!
Tim,what's your views on UFOs?
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Post by MartinT on Jun 17, 2018 0:52:57 GMT
I love the story of how the Saturn V engines resonated so badly they nearly destroyed themselves in early testing, and how they chased down the fix.
Those engines are some VERY SERIOUS engineering achievements and look bloody scary up close.
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Post by Mr Whippy on Jun 17, 2018 5:57:37 GMT
It's still the most powerful (early launches caused damage to buildings 3 miles away) and successful rocket ever built with no fatalities or loss of payload.
I had the Airfix model and the Lunar Landing Module.
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Post by DaveC on Jun 17, 2018 8:05:06 GMT
A lot of the Saturn V engine and also the Lunar Module (shown here) suffer resonance and vibrations originated in the main CSM 28V DC 65kW battery line as shown above top right hand quarter, and were cured or at least diminished by fitting better 30A fuses. Speculation at the time suggested it might have been better to change the 100A ones, or even both sets !
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Post by Chris on Jun 17, 2018 9:41:24 GMT
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Post by stanleyb on Jun 17, 2018 10:13:32 GMT
Just out of interest ...  That's the 1st time I hear her mentioned. The NASA website gives credit to that research to Katherine Johnson, a mixed race person. Her first notes were published in 1958 and can be found at ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19740074640.pdfShe was played by Taraji P. Henson in a film called Hidden Lives. |
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Post by Chris on Jun 17, 2018 10:16:15 GMT
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Post by speedysteve on Jun 17, 2018 10:19:01 GMT
Oh for heaven's sake! It'll be the earth is flat next |
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Post by Mr Whippy on Jun 17, 2018 10:34:00 GMT
Well isn't it?
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Post by MartinT on Jun 17, 2018 11:14:58 GMT
...were cured or at least diminished by fitting better 30A fuses. LOL - that made my day!! |
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Post by Slinger on Jun 17, 2018 12:27:12 GMT
...were cured or at least diminished by fitting better 30A fuses. LOL - that made my day!! It sort of made mine too., Martin, but I suspect it was for a different reason, which I will not divulge in public.  . |
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Post by Tim on Jun 17, 2018 12:54:13 GMT
Made me chuckle too  Tim,what's your views on UFOs? To be honest Chris, it’s not something I've ever really spent much time dwelling on. I believe in science - what we can see, touch and explain or to try and collectively understand when we can’t explain it, rather than outlandish ideas originating primarily from American crackpots – never been one for conspiracy theories. My limited UFO interest extends this far - do I think people see things in the sky they don’t readily recognise or understand, yes. Are they extra terrestrial craft?, unlikely. Do I think a solo numpty incompetent alien travelled billions of miles from wherever, to then crash their craft outside Roswell, no, absolutely not. It is a rather amusing story though. Do I think the US Military fly and test things from Edwards Air Force base they would rather not disclose? yes, in fact I'd be surprised if they didn’t. Do I think one of those undisclosed secrets is a humanoid type being with big bug eyes? . . . . well . . . . I’m more inclined to feel that if we are ever contacted by 'something', it will be more of a 2001 or Arrival type encounter, as opposed to small UFOs buzzing around the sky/abducting people. I’m a Stephen Hawking, Brian Cox and Richard Dawkins kind of guy. Here’s a good video from Dave, my favourite Aussie EEV YouTuber, you might remember him from his ‘audiophile mains lead’ video, which still tickles me to this day.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 17, 2018 13:00:18 GMT
On a more serious note, were these fuses accessible? Did the astronauts carry spares?
Images of them approaching descent and "oh, it's blown again..."
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Post by Chris on Jun 17, 2018 17:08:23 GMT
Don't bloody start on fuses here for gods sake
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Post by Chris on Jun 17, 2018 17:30:18 GMT
Made me chuckle too Tim,what's your views on UFOs? To be honest Chris, it’s not something I've ever really spent much time dwelling on. I believe in science - what we can see, touch and explain or to try and collectively understand when we can’t explain it, rather than outlandish ideas originating primarily from American crackpots – never been one for conspiracy theories. My limited UFO interest extends this far - do I think people see things in the sky they don’t readily recognise or understand, yes. Are they extra terrestrial craft?, unlikely. Do I think a solo numpty incompetent alien travelled billions of miles from wherever, to then crash their craft outside Roswell, no, absolutely not. It is a rather amusing story though. Do I think the US Military fly and test things from Edwards Air Force base they would rather not disclose? yes, in fact I'd be surprised if they didn’t. Do I think one of those undisclosed secrets is a humanoid type being with big bug eyes? . . . . well . . . . I’m more inclined to feel that if we are ever contacted by 'something', it will be more of a 2001 or Arrival type encounter, as opposed to small UFO’s buzzing around the sky/abducting people. I’m a Stephen Hawking, Brian Cox and Richard Dawkins kind of guy. Here’s a good video from Dave, my favourite Aussie EEV YouTuber, you might remember him from his ‘audiophile mains lead’ video, which still tickles me to this day.
That's an interesting and IMO extremely blinkered viewpoint. There's been quite a few that reliable witnesses have seen and touched. As for "outlandish theories from Americans" there's been reports from all over the world for hundreds of years. Thinking this all started with Roswell is mad. the point I'm trying to get at is the value /standard of evidence. If someone punched you in the face and there was an expert witness or two who saw it,there was physical evidence of the assault and there was cctv then that case would be proven guilty. The same applies to the moon landings - to some people. |
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