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Post by Tim on Jun 16, 2018 8:24:59 GMT
Space exploration has always fascinated and intrigued me and I lived and breathed the Apollo project with Saturn V models in my room and numerous posters on my bedroom walls.
I have just finished reading the Scott Kelly book 'Endurance' (NASA astronaut who spend 340 days on the ISS) and got into a conversation about it with a friend. He's a very intelligent guy, but he shocked me when he said he didn't believe NASA pulled off the moon landings. He said "I would really like to believe it, but I don't think it happened"
I have read the conspiracy theorists arguments many times over and IMO each one can be easily dismissed and many have been disproved, but people do seem to still be taken in by them.
What do you think?
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Post by zippy on Jun 16, 2018 8:39:04 GMT
Hoaxing space travel is an old notion (seen Capricorn 1 ?) but I can't believe there's anything to gain by it so it's all probably real.
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Post by Slinger on Jun 16, 2018 9:19:33 GMT
There has certainly been enough evidence presented to convince me it's true, and as much as I love conspiracy theories, this one's a non-starter as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jun 16, 2018 9:27:17 GMT
If there were evidence to show it was a hoax I'd be open to looking at it.
Real or me
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Post by Tim on Jun 16, 2018 11:14:37 GMT
If there were evidence to show it was a hoax I'd be open to looking at it. Have a read of the book NASA Mooned America Mike. Pretty much covers all the so called 'evidence' that it was faked. There's oodles of YouTube videos too, both for and against. A lot of the evidence is down to a bunch of photographs. www.youtube.com/results?search_query=moon+landings+
There's an Nvidea YouTube presentation which goes through the so called shadow and single light source evidence, highlighting it's flaws. Some suggest it was Stanley Kubrick who helped with the hoax and left clues in The Shining - nutters.
I think the Apollo 17 mission pretty much puts all the evidence safely to bed, but the conspirators don't seem to go beyond Apollo 11 with their theories, choosing to ignore the other missions.
I find it quite interesting that so many people still seem convinced it was all faked.
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Post by AlanS on Jun 16, 2018 11:36:02 GMT
If ‘we’ had not don’t you think the Russians would have kept quiet? Maybe poisoned the astronauts?
Let it slip in the Russian space station will hanging out up there.
People who think Brexit will fix all their misery
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Post by MartinT on Jun 16, 2018 11:50:47 GMT
There is no way it was a hoax. I remember seeing 11 landing live on TV. More to the point, there is much evidence that it happened, including the earth stations triangulating the actual landing area which cannot be spoofed.
It remains, for me, the pinnacle of human achievement, bleeding edge technology and courage. There are so many ways there could have been more deaths (remembering Apollo 1), and even 13 was a triumph of rescue and ingenuity. I will not now live to see a Mars landing but my son may. I shall encourage him to follow and support it. We need more exploration as we continue to trash our own planet.
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Post by jandl100 on Jun 16, 2018 13:05:09 GMT
Nearly, but not quite, as bad as Flat Earthers.
Bunch of idiots.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jun 16, 2018 13:06:37 GMT
Thanks Tim
Some will believe anything.
Some will say all sorts is possible as they like a wind up
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Post by zippy on Jun 16, 2018 14:00:42 GMT
didn't the Chinese take an image from one of their moon orbiters showing remains of an Apollo landing?
It's very unlikely that the Chinese would join any hoax - very much the opposite I think.
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Post by Tim on Jun 16, 2018 14:31:52 GMT
didn't the Chinese take an image from one of their moon orbiters showing remains of an Apollo landing? It's very unlikely that the Chinese would join any hoax - very much the opposite I think. Not just the Chinese, but Russia, Japan and ESA would all have to be in on the conspiracy now. You can actually find LRO imagery of the landing sites yourself now using the ACT-REACT QuickMap site.
Apollo 15 is probably the easiest to find, alongside the Hadley Rill - this is what you are looking for at 26.132°N, 3.634°E
The above is an LRO image from the Arizona State University website, who are also clearly in on the conspiracy . . . lroc.sese.asu.edu/
I guess you could say that the images have been photo-shopped, but ACT (Applied Coherent Technology) is a highly regarding corporation which specialises in geospatial data applications, used by many organisations including NATO - also in on the hoax!
I could go on, but you get the point 
As Martin says a milestone in human history, but I feel the ISS is a greater achievement.
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Post by DaveC on Jun 16, 2018 14:44:20 GMT
The Russian Space Station Mir was an even great achievement ?
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Post by Tim on Jun 16, 2018 14:54:25 GMT
The Russian Space Station Mir was an even great achievement ? Yup, fair point. I do wonder what NASA would have done if Russia had managed to perfect their N1 launch vehicle? The NK engines were quite something and were later used by NASA for Antares as I understand. |
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Post by Chris on Jun 16, 2018 15:04:47 GMT
NASA wouldn't have done much without the Russians - it was their rocket technology they used.
I think we did land on the moon but I can see why people think we haven't. Strange it's not been exploited more.
I voted maybe as it's very difficult to believe the information you are given these days - from either side of the debate.
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Post by Tim on Jun 16, 2018 19:04:08 GMT
it's very difficult to believe the information you are given these days - from either side of the debate. OK, here's a question for you - do you think Apollo 13 occurred as told by NASA? |
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Post by Chris on Jun 16, 2018 19:07:33 GMT
I'm not sure Tim,I don't know the NASA version.
I don't think NASA are to be trusted however as I think there's a lot of UFO stuff they cover up.
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Post by MartinT on Jun 16, 2018 19:16:10 GMT
Do you mean the cryo-stir that caused the explosion or the repair sequence, Tim?
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Post by jandl100 on Jun 16, 2018 20:04:58 GMT
Just out of interest ...  |
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Post by Tim on Jun 16, 2018 20:06:25 GMT
Do you mean the cryo-stir that caused the explosion or the repair sequence, Tim? I mean the whole 13 mission really, but especially from the point of the explosion and how they got back to earth safely.
To me, if you are happy it happened the way it did and know the sequence of events, then you would be hard to pushed to logically defend a position of saying they didn't have the capability to land on the moon. And if they had that capability, then why didn't they do it?
But if you aren't familiar with Apollo 13, then it's non-starter as a discussion. However, it begs the question (if you are a non-believer) of how familiar are you with the Apollo project overall and if you aren't that familiar with it, how can you realistically dispute the science?
But it does highlight my initial point of interest, that despite all the evidence that's now available, there are still people who are open to believing it was all faked. My friend who sparked this poll, is I would say, one of the brightest people I know. He has said though that when we meet up in a few weeks, he wants me to convince him it did happen  |
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Post by mikeyb on Jun 16, 2018 20:21:38 GMT
One of our members has one of his power supplies running on the Space Station too 😉
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