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Post by mattspl on Mar 23, 2024 12:53:37 GMT
Personally I wouldn't use the Rhodium versions when you build the next one Matt
Sorry nice work Matt, but do cinsidering NIOT use any Rhodium plating, your ears will thank me for it.
Thanks for the input Tony, do you suggest bare copper where possible then? |
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Post by mattspl on Mar 23, 2024 13:06:19 GMT
Fantastic Matt... And again thanks for taking the time to detail the items. l'll have to pull my finger out now 🤣 My only slight issue, is to work out where l can find a spare EARTH Point on my R26, think l only the I2s and SPDIF RCA free. Use the SPDIF input if that’s free. I’m interested to hear how you get on with the DIY box in addition to your existing ground boxes. |
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Post by stellabagpuss on Mar 23, 2024 13:15:13 GMT
Fantastic Matt... And again thanks for taking the time to detail the items. l'll have to pull my finger out now 🤣 My only slight issue, is to work out where l can find a spare EARTH Point on my R26, think l only the I2s and SPDIF RCA free. Use the SPDIF input if that’s free. I’m interested to hear how you get on with the DIY box in addition to your existing ground boxes. Yes that's the plan Matt, l only have one ground box,that's a cheap AliExpress one, then painted with Rustins G Sheild, which turbo charged its performance,it just connected to the earth of my mains block. Anyway l'll keep you posted. |
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Post by HD Music & Test on Mar 23, 2024 13:53:35 GMT
All I am going to say here is this with digital the more you have connected the better it becomes, in total I have 22 on my digital non connected connections.
As for tying it in the earth ground, humm not in any of the systems we put togther unless the control unit has seperate internal compartments for ground (0Vdc) & earth 240Vac protective ground.
Noise from either source can be counter productive also take into account some equipment is earth <> ground bonded in that they are earth referenced as apposed to ground (0vdc) referenced.
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Post by palace on Mar 23, 2024 14:02:19 GMT
Personally I wouldn't use the Rhodium versions when you build the next one Matt
Sorry nice work Matt, but do cinsidering NIOT use any Rhodium plating, your ears will thank me for it.
From the MCRU site Rhodium is a precious metal from the platinum family. It is hard, acid-resistant, and has a very high melting point (1964°C). Compared to other platinum metals, it is a very good conductor, but still only half as good as gold and just one third as good as silver.20 Sept 2019. |
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Post by HD Music & Test on Mar 23, 2024 14:07:47 GMT
Rhodium is used for ware resistance imho sonically its a load of geratric show makers.
A few years ago I spent a small fortune importing 6N's ultra pure silver made and shipped over in a vacuum packed bag etc lol
I made up 12 identical grounding leads (even acid dipping the connectors and plating them with the same material) now on the conductivity table silver is highher than copper, so therefore one could deduce that silver would be the weapon of choice.
I had these cables out with many beta testers, only 12% felt they would take the marked one over the the one they had
No one had any idea which one was which.
Just for the record PURE silver conductors deliver a very smooth, open sound that has a fuller bass. Pure silver is NOT bright or foward in any way, if you have experinaced this, then all I can suggest is this that the issue is contained within your system.
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Post by mattspl on Mar 23, 2024 14:10:59 GMT
All I am going to say here is this with digital the more you have connected the better it becomes, in total I have 22 on my digital non connected connections. As for tying it in the earth ground, humm not in any of the systems we put togther unless the control unit has seperate internal compartments for ground (0Vdc) & earth 240Vac protective ground. Noise from either source can be counter productive also take into account some equipment is earth <> ground bonded in that they are earth referenced as apposed to ground (0vdc) referenced. Where on earth do you manage to connect 22 boxes to? |
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Post by HD Music & Test on Mar 23, 2024 14:28:17 GMT
Hi Matt,
That is just the digital side, the dac has another 6 or 8 depending which dac I'm using.
The analogue side can be up to another 30 again depending systems configuration, there are 56 connections available should it be need.
Just one box, I do not require any more for 0Vdc, no kitter litter/Pizo-electric or silver etc, just our propiratory material and distrubition hub inside.
So far the BBP is handling the weight of the RTZ BDX version nicely its well over 85Kg's which is a touch girthy Matt.
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Post by John on Mar 23, 2024 14:31:59 GMT
I found the same in my system each connection I took from the DAC had a beneficial affect
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Post by mattspl on Mar 23, 2024 14:32:04 GMT
Hi Matt, That is just the digital side, the dac has another 6 or 8 depending which dac I'm using. The analogue side can be up to another 30 again depending systems configuration, there are 56 co9nnections available should it be need. Just one box, I do not require any more for 0Vdc, no kitter litter/Pizo-electric or silver etc, just our propiratory material and distrubition hub inside. So far the BBP is handling the weight of the RTZ BDX version nicely its well over 85Kg's which is a touch girthy Matt. I like the sound of that Tony, it must be like a washing machine size? |
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Post by mattspl on Mar 23, 2024 14:33:28 GMT
Can you take multiple connections from say your Dac to a single ground box then, or do you need separate boxes?
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Post by HD Music & Test on Mar 23, 2024 14:57:53 GMT
Matt Right lets go back to basics here, the purpose of having a grounding device is to reduce the potential difference between the 0Vdc rails between all of your equipment correct? By having more than one device you are increasing the PD as each device will have a different PD to the next one it may not be be voltage measurment wise that different, but we are not measuring dynamic volatge here, this is migrated RFI and conducted noise in current imho. I'm not saying have a multiple black boxes isn't benefical, what I am suggesting is that it is not as good in overall terms. That is why I have many, many single or double connection grounding boxes from many different companies taken in p/x. A single point of reference always imho generates more preferable performance simply as every connected point is reference to the SAME ground reference.
All of the Furutech connectors and Binding posts have been stripped cleaned ultrasonically cleaned, pickled in acid to remove the O.E. plate, then superior washed (lol) re ultrasonically cleaned, polished then replated with the same material we use for our signal transfer products. After they are Cryo treated for 3 days. Thas way we keep a really tight impedence pathway.
Here you go
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Post by mattspl on Mar 23, 2024 15:27:45 GMT
Matt Right lets go back to basics here, the purpose of having a grounding device is to reduce the potential difference between the 0Vdc rails between all of your equipment correct? By having more than one device you are increasing the PD as each device will have a different PD to the next one it may not be be voltage measurment wise that different, but we are not measuring dynamic volatge here, this is migrated RFI and conducted noise in current imho. I'm not saying have a multiple black boxes isn't benefical, what I am suggesting is that it is not as good in overall terms. That is why I have many, many single or double connection grounding boxes from many different companies taken in p/x. A single point of reference always imho generates more preferable performance simply as every connected poinbt is reference to the SAME ground reference.
All of the Furutech connectors and Binding posts have been stripped cleaned ultrasonically cleaned, pickled in acid to remove the O.E. plate, then superior washed (lol) re ultrasonically cleaned, polished then replated with the smae material we use for our siignal transfer products. This way we keep a really tight impedence pathway.
Here you go
Thanks Tony, that makes perfect sense. You have managed to keep that very tidy considering the amount of cables back there. |
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Post by MartinT on Mar 23, 2024 15:37:00 GMT
I also winced at the use of rhodium, I swapped all my rhodium connectors out a long time ago. It gives a nasty edge enhancement to everything, not as natural sounding as gold contacts.
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Post by mattspl on Mar 23, 2024 15:43:12 GMT
I also winced at the use of rhodium, I swapped all my rhodium connectors out a long time ago. It gives a nasty edge enhancement to everything, not as natural sounding as gold contacts. I will give Gold a try. Only problem is, certain connectors only seem to be available in Rhodium. I’ll see what I can find. |
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Post by HD Music & Test on Mar 23, 2024 15:46:29 GMT
I also winced at the use of rhodium, I swapped all my rhodium connectors out a long time ago. It gives a nasty edge enhancement to everything, not as natural sounding as gold contacts. I will give Gold a try. Only problem is, certain connectors only seem to be available in Rhodium. I’ll see what I can find. This is why we make our own Matt.
However there are other connector manufacturers out there as well as Furutech imho
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Post by mattspl on Mar 24, 2024 16:42:53 GMT
Today I decided to try an additional cable to the new ground box, so I repurposed the blue 4sq(see picture)I’d used with an XLR to test the Magnetite originally. I connected this to the ground box binding post just by stripping the cable and screwing down the binding post onto the bare copper. The XLR then goes into the Dac’s AES input. The sound has become more laidback and quieter, with imaging and the whole presentation being a bit less in your face. Maybe the whole ground box is settling down more, or it could just br the additional cable. More testing is needed. redirect.viglink.com/?key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&subId=5633016&u=https%3A//flic.kr/p/2pBD5nD |
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Post by HD Music & Test on Mar 24, 2024 17:27:36 GMT
Where in the country are you located Matt?
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Post by mattspl on Mar 24, 2024 17:53:19 GMT
Where in the country are you located Matt? I’m over in Dublin Tony. |
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Post by HD Music & Test on Mar 24, 2024 18:22:25 GMT
Fab city, we do fly over regulary to watch Munster play, the good lady is half plastic paddy as she calls herself, we also have friends not to far from Dubs so maybe on our next trip over maybe have a meet up and a brew?
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