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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 9:58:40 GMT
but sure there must be some insinuation of getting the goods for a lower (nah free) price than what is RRP? No-one in their right mind pays RRP for things these days, so that measure is meaningless. If you're suggesting that anyone here has received goods for free then that would be exerting influence and shilling. So please state why 'there must be some insinuation'? Interesting use of the passive tense, but there is a strong implication in there. Completely agree with your comments about RRP, Martin. I'll use the car analogy, how many people do you know that walk into a car show room and pay sticker price?... I think it will be very few, so why is it a problem with Hifi? I for one am always looking for a deal, as are most people I know, again, what is wrong with that? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 10:22:19 GMT
I must admit it frustrates me to see passion mistaken as shilling. Exactly that, John. We're not going to be apologetic for being passionate about getting the best from our music. 100% agree with you both. |
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Post by ChrisB on Apr 5, 2018 10:30:37 GMT
OK, so let's assume that I am the afore mentioned criminal mastermind hifi dealer/manufacturer/whoever, intent on world domination and an early retirement in an idyllic tropical paradise and you are my fuse customer turned minion, agreeable to carry out my wicked work for me in forumland.
We strike up an agreement, whereby I waive 50% of the full price of your recent purchase, for which you will agree to say nice things about it. That's £65 and all of my share gone - I'm not giving you the full price because then it starts to cost me money.
How many posts would that buy me?
Would you do Five? Ten?
Maybe.
Would you continue the discussion over a period lasting several weeks, and put up with people calling you mad, deluded, corrupt and god knows what else?
For a saving of £65?
No, I don't think anybody would and that's why I call all of this nonsense a load of utter bollocks.
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Post by tonyone on Apr 5, 2018 10:31:52 GMT
but sure there must be some insinuation of getting the goods for a lower (nah free) price than what is RRP? No-one in their right mind pays RRP for things these days, so that measure is meaningless. If you're suggesting that anyone here has received goods for free then that would be exerting influence and shilling. So please state why 'there must be some insinuation'? Interesting use of the passive tense, but there is a strong implication in there. Hi Martin, My passive or active writing style shouldn't really be of interest. When I say RRP (yes I know it doesn't exist anymore) I was simply referring to 'full price' Then my post was meant to point out that for someone (or a few of you) to be accused of shilling then the insinuation from such accusers is that there will be some gain from such activity. |
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Post by tonyone on Apr 5, 2018 10:35:48 GMT
No-one in their right mind pays RRP for things these days, so that measure is meaningless. If you're suggesting that anyone here has received goods for free then that would be exerting influence and shilling. So please state why 'there must be some insinuation'? Interesting use of the passive tense, but there is a strong implication in there. Completely agree with your comments about RRP, Martin. I'll use the car analogy, how many people do you know that walk into a car show room and pay sticker price?... I think it will be very few, so why is it a problem with Hifi? I for one am always looking for a deal, as are most people I know, again, what is wrong with that? Sorry but I think you guys are taking the RRP bit and using it as a diversion. If (for instance) we are talking about a mains lead / fuse / USB cable then 99% of people will order on line and paid the dealers asking/ advertised price? |
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Post by ChrisB on Apr 5, 2018 10:37:44 GMT
You may have missed my post above Tony, we were both typing at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 10:37:56 GMT
Completely agree with your comments about RRP, Martin. I'll use the car analogy, how many people do you know that walk into a car show room and pay sticker price?... I think it will be very few, so why is it a problem with Hifi? I for one am always looking for a deal, as are most people I know, again, what is wrong with that? Sorry but I think you guys are taking the RRP bit and using it as a diversion. If (for instance) we are talking about a mains lead / fuse / USB cable then 99% of people will order on line and paid the dealers asking/ advertised price? Well more fool them then, I would never do that! |
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Post by tonyone on Apr 5, 2018 10:46:47 GMT
Sorry but I think you guys are taking the RRP bit and using it as a diversion. If (for instance) we are talking about a mains lead / fuse / USB cable then 99% of people will order on line and paid the dealers asking/ advertised price? Well more fool them then, I would never do that! Really? So how do you go about that when using an online seller? E-mail them with a counter offer? |
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Post by Clive on Apr 5, 2018 10:46:50 GMT
Oh it's so very un-British to negotiate on price....heaven knows why. A trip to a Middle East market would sort out some here stuck in their ways! They'll either return poor or wiser.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 10:49:09 GMT
Well more fool them then, I would never do that! Really? So how do you go about that when using an online seller? E-mail them with a counter offer? Good point, well made, I would look for somewhere else to buy said item probably. In the example of most hifi dealers though, they have a telephone number you can contact them on, I know that is very 80's, but I would probably start there! |
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Post by tonyone on Apr 5, 2018 10:50:19 GMT
You may have missed my post above Tony, we were both typing at the same time. I did Chris sorry. Who knows? I'm not in the business but given the price of advertising these days wouldn't a few 'loss leaders' be an easy quick win? Indeed what about the instances of where manufactures send kit out for magazine reviews? I'm told much of it is just left with the reviewer. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 10:51:07 GMT
Oh it's so very un-British to negotiate on price....heaven knows why. A trip to a Middle East market would sort out some here stuck in their ways! They'll either return poor or wiser. Indeed, that reminds me of a belt I bought in Turkey. The price started at the equivalent of £150 and I ended up playing the equivalent of £5. I was happy and the trader was happy. |
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Post by MartinT on Apr 5, 2018 10:52:49 GMT
Then my post was meant to point out that for someone (or a few of you) to be accused of shilling then the insinuation from such accusers is that there will be some gain from such activity. And my point is that there is no gain whatsoever for the vendor, which is what we were talking about. I was thinking just earlier about all my system components, I have negotiated discount on pretty much every one when I purchased them. They are mostly high sticker price and I remember in a couple of cases being offered a discount without even asking. It's quite normal and, as Paul says, standard practice in the car trade. There are a couple of exceptions like Stanley Beresford who offers a forum discount so you are still not paying the full advertised internet price. This is a distraction and completely irrelevant to the thread topic. |
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Post by MartinT on Apr 5, 2018 10:56:26 GMT
Indeed what about the instances of where manufactures send kit out for magazine reviews? I'm told much of it is just left with the reviewer. We've all heard stories about trade review equipment but, again, there is no proof. In any case, it is not comparable to accusations of forum shilling, which we do not do here at TAS. |
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Post by tonyone on Apr 5, 2018 11:02:33 GMT
Then my post was meant to point out that for someone (or a few of you) to be accused of shilling then the insinuation from such accusers is that there will be some gain from such activity. And my point is that there is no gain whatsoever for the vendor, which is what we were talking about. I was thinking just earlier about all my system components, I have negotiated discount on pretty much every one when I purchased them. They are mostly high sticker price and I remember in a couple of cases being offered a discount without even asking. It's quite normal and, as Paul says, standard practice in the car trade. There are a couple of exceptions like Stanley Beresford who offers a forum discount so you are still not paying the full advertised internet price. This is a distraction and completely irrelevant to the thread topic. Of course theres a gain!! How many pages are there on here talking about Fuses?? Companies pay good money for column inches!! This car analogy is getting silly, I said "Mains cable / Fuse / USB cable" none of which are exactly a £30k purchase are they? So are you telling me you have 'negotiated' a discount for every one of the Fuses you have purchased? |
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Post by TheMooN on Apr 5, 2018 11:18:25 GMT
Having recently read the following comment on a forum owned and operated by a commercial HFi manufacturer ( Whome I shall not name) I am curious whether forum members would consider the following as Solicitation of acts of Shilling ?
"That is why I am blocked / banned on the commercial forums, and the semi commercial ones who hide it.
Even though in terms of business and turnover I am a flea biting the surface of the industry, they are scared stiff of me and want to censor me out of business.
So I rely on you lot for promotion, I am blocked all other ways."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 11:21:01 GMT
And my point is that there is no gain whatsoever for the vendor, which is what we were talking about. I was thinking just earlier about all my system components, I have negotiated discount on pretty much every one when I purchased them. They are mostly high sticker price and I remember in a couple of cases being offered a discount without even asking. It's quite normal and, as Paul says, standard practice in the car trade. There are a couple of exceptions like Stanley Beresford who offers a forum discount so you are still not paying the full advertised internet price. This is a distraction and completely irrelevant to the thread topic. This car analogy is getting silly, I said "Mains cable / Fuse / USB cable" none of which are exactly a £30k purchase are they? No it is not, it is a perfect analogy but just not fitting with your agenda. Also given what you are saying, why does something that cost £30,000 make it more worthy of negotiation on price than something that costs £130, utter nonsense. |
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Post by MartinT on Apr 5, 2018 11:24:13 GMT
So are you telling me you have 'negotiated' a discount for every one of the Fuses you have purchased? Nope, of course not. Not every response I make is about bloody fuses, I was speaking generally! |
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Post by Slinger on Apr 5, 2018 11:29:58 GMT
Having recently read the following comment on a forum owned and operated by a commercial HFi manufacturer ( Whome I shall not name) I am curious whether forum members would consider the following as Solicitation of acts of Shilling ? "That is why I am blocked / banned on the commercial forums, and the semi commercial ones who hide it. Even though in terms of business and turnover I am a flea biting the surface of the industry, they are scared stiff of me and want to censor me out of business. So I rely on you lot for promotion, I am blocked all other ways." Surely it would only be shilling if the manufacturer were offering some form of financial incentive to promote his wares, which he is not, and to my knowledge never has. |
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Post by tonyone on Apr 5, 2018 11:30:48 GMT
This car analogy is getting silly, I said "Mains cable / Fuse / USB cable" none of which are exactly a £30k purchase are they? No it is not, it is a perfect analogy but just not fitting with your agenda. Also given what you are saying, why does something that cost £30,000 make it more worthy of negotiation on price than something that costs £130, utter nonsense. Agenda? Really!! (secure your tin foil hat young man) I'll repeat.... I was talking about low cost items cables etc. Also given what you are saying, why does something that cost £30,000 make it more worthy of negotiation on price than something that costs £130, utter nonsense.
Sorry but this is just laughable  errrr because if you get a 10% discount the difference is about £3k in your favour. |
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errrr because if you get a 10% discount the difference is about £3k in your favour.