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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 17, 2018 18:24:08 GMT
Currently having a discussion with one of our neighbours. They think it is reaonable to have a bash without warning "short notice, no time". Any day of the week, go on for as long as they still stand, or crawl and make as much noise as they like. Fortunately not regularly, as of this date anyway.
The law seems to be fairly black and white on this and doesn't agree with their thoughts.
What thoughts and what experience please ?
My guess is the police will not be interested if they were called on a noise problem - if we have to go that far
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Post by ChrisB on Jan 17, 2018 18:39:15 GMT
This bit is legal, reasonable and you can have no argument with it whatsoever:
This bit is different: ...and you can speak to your local council about it. Look up The Noise Act - it's legally deemed to be unreasonable to make noise between 11pm and 7am. The Environmental Health officers will be able to determine whether it's an actionable nuisance and can be acted upon.
Before you do that though, you'll have to weigh up whether your desire for peace and quiet is greater than the need to have a good relationship with your neighbours, who can make your life a living hell (in many ways that you can't begin to imagine should they so choose!)
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Post by Tim on Jan 17, 2018 19:26:20 GMT
My guess is the police will not be interested if they were called on a noise problem - if we have to go that far It's not so much they won't be interested Mike, it's that it's not a police matter and they are powerless to do anything, unless there is a breach of the peace, falling under Section 5 of the Public Order Act - which doesn't unfortunately include noisy neighbours. It needs to go quite a bit further for the police to be able to take action. Some police forces 'might' turn up (if they have an officer free) and ask them to be quiet as a gesture of goodwill, but if they tell them to piss off and go away, they will have to do just that. These days with so few uniform response officers available, such a call would be very low priority and likely to take sometime to be dealt with, if at all. Personally I wouldn't call them, unless there is a threat of violence or rowdy behaviour in the street, as it has to be in a public place. As Chris says, it's an Environmental Health matter, not a police one.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 17, 2018 19:41:49 GMT
Thank guys. Assumed the police wouldn't be keen.
Thought we had a good relationship, however their kids have carte blanche Looking for a feel of how to carry on the conversation to end up with the best result.
Daytime bashes not that worried. Going on to 3am not happy. The volume way too high and the music was awful Load of noise 1am -1.30am not impressed.
Warning of either would have helped a lot.
The acoustics from their pool house amplify to our bedroom. Parents heard nothing in their main house.....
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Post by Tim on Jan 17, 2018 20:06:24 GMT
I would contact your local Environmental Health officer, easy to find with Google. If nothing else it will arm you with the knowledge about what can and cannot be done, it's their job, unlike the old bill - it's not their job.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 17, 2018 20:35:42 GMT
Thanks Tim. My next move
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Post by Tim on Jan 18, 2018 9:12:52 GMT
Of course, you could always go and visit James Purdey and Sons in London, but keep that one quiet
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 18, 2018 10:07:58 GMT
Don't think I'd ever go in that direction
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 10:52:16 GMT
Sounds like a job for the A-Team On a more serious note, I would advise speaking to them first (if you haven't already) and clearly explaining the situation and why you are frustrated by it. When I lived in my first property, a studio flat, I had some neighbours downstairs who used to play music and were rowdy at unreasonable times of the night. I tried a number of mechanisms to sort it out, but in the end, talking to them was the most effective way, and it was pretty well resolved by the time I moved on.
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Post by puffin on Jan 18, 2018 11:07:43 GMT
I used to be a community mediator for the council. We would speak to both parties and see if the "noisers" would be prepared to meet with the aggrieved to see if the matter could be dealt with amicably. If the "noisers" refused to meet then the matter went nowhere. If you are intending to go to EH you will need a log of when these incidents have taken place, the times and how it has affected you. Are there other neighbours that have or are likely to have been affected? If you don't know, it would be worth knocking on a few doors to see if they would be prepared to get involved. Are you attached to the property?
Although it would not give a forensic level of noise, some phone video footage of what is going on could help to show what sort of disturbance is happening.
Your first port of call should be a friendly chat with them.
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Post by zippy on Jan 18, 2018 11:32:04 GMT
We once had problems with people in the flat above us - a 2 bedroom NHS owned flat, and they had 1 adult, 4 children and 2 dogs. Lots of loud music, general thumping around, and then they had the cheek to complain about our music (which was infrequent and moderate) They seemed to think they were entitled to do anything and we suspect they were trying to get us out so they could have our flat too.
They got their way in the end as we moved to another part of the country. If we hadn't done that we'd probably have moved to a different flat anyway, to us an easier way to resolve the circumstance than going through official channels (but our flat was rented so easy to give it up)
It's easy to say 'have a friendly chat' but people who cause this sort of nuisance (like my neighbours) are unlikely to want to talk, other than to say **** ***.
Good luck
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 12:32:23 GMT
It's easy to say 'have a friendly chat' but people who cause this sort of nuisance (like my neighbours) are unlikely to want to talk, other than to say **** ***. Unfortunately you are right a lot of the time.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 18, 2018 14:43:48 GMT
Chat is next, Currently on email.
Will also be logging times and dates which hopefully won't need
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Post by julesd68 on Jan 19, 2018 0:18:52 GMT
I can sympathise Mike. We've had a few over the years. I will never forget this woman who quite obviously wasn't playing with a full deck, who lived two floors below us - she used to play 'Gangsta's Paradise' by Coolio very loud and on repeat, and this could last six hours at a time or more!! One day I just couldn't take any more and went down to ask her to turn it down and she just screamed at me. Very strange indeed.
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 19, 2018 10:48:26 GMT
We can't choose our neighbours. Closest I have found to choosing is to visit neighbourhoods of prospective houses at different days and times. Since we have moved here in 2003 we have had 3 different neighbours on this side. Other side have been here donkey's years longer than us.
I moved to detached years ago so *I* wouldn't disturb neighbours with the music volumes. Had to move from there as the country road we were on became a great short cut/rat run to feed the M25.
First neighbours at the next place were fine. Just our respective dogs having barking sessions at each other, easy enough to stop. Next was the nightmare of seemingly nice people with 2 little girls who were actually banshees and screamed all day long at volumes hard to imagine. Then the party from hell. Celebration of some sort we hadn't been warned about. Music loud but not bad - until 9pm when they turned on the festival system that made everything in our house vibrate - until about 2 or 3am. Nice house, very nice area but they were enough reason to move.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 11:15:35 GMT
Buy some ear plugs, as it sounds like you will need them.... The parents will probably be reasonable, but when the parents are away?
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 19, 2018 11:51:18 GMT
Have ear plugs. They only cut out some of the noise. Need to investigate better ones.
This all happened when the parents were there !
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Post by Slinger on Jan 19, 2018 13:18:52 GMT
Noise-cancelling headphones and a Motörhead box set?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 16:34:21 GMT
Have ear plugs. They only cut out some of the noise. Need to investigate better ones. This all happened when the parents were there ! Well, if the kids wake you, phone the parents and complain....
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Post by MikeMusic on Jan 19, 2018 16:54:35 GMT
They think this is fine and have defended it. See OP
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