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Post by naim1425 on Mar 9, 2018 21:08:02 GMT
 this is classic mine`s about 40 year old, i have not changed the needle yet still mint ,plays better with jam or chocolate on the records, lowers the wow and flutter,no clicks and i dont need a power supply or even Ankaka battery`s or special power leads,filter or special hifi stands or cones and you dont need a Koetsu or suppex cartridge s or even a stan dac.it just plays music the way it was recorded these will not fit the above turntable no tracking or bias selection www.analogueseduction.net/category-641.html |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2018 21:33:56 GMT
this is what i like people talking about linn/naim ,they must have a cob on, if they dont like them dont buy them,but thats what made linn/nam famous other people talking about them,who may of tried them once or twice and the start condeming all naim bits and bobs,what i like about it is they can always generate a talking point,which is happening hear.think of the old dear`s who own linn/naim system,you dont hear them slagging off other makes of hifi,maybe thats all they can afford,when hifi shops used to sell naim years ago their proffets margine`s were sky high thats why the shops used to push them,but letts face it linn/naim are still around so they must be doing something right,play music.if people stopped slagging off who or what hifi manafactures and buy some music cd,lp or any sort of music the may enjoy life a little more,the whole point of hifi is listening to music it does matter what format,forum members classics I struggle to see how you think anyone is moaning about Naim/Linn in their comments on this thread, I see it more of an open discussion with people voicing their opinions. Or are you talking about other forums? |
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Post by ant on Mar 9, 2018 21:41:36 GMT
Use a mayware f4/ at440 on one and an audio technica at 1100/ at150sa on the other.
Like high comp mm carts these days rather than mc.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2018 21:45:52 GMT
Without doing any obvious brand slagging, what happened during the flat earth times was down to a) dealers and b) magazines, with the likes of Ivor Tiefenbrun royally winding their handles. Their demands from dealers were such that quotas had to be reached in order to retain their dealerships. The dealers were scared stiff of not being able to sell Linn or Naim equipment because the magazines were saying that you're just not serious if you want to buy anything else. I remember going to Audio T, Graham's Hi-Fi and The Cornflake Shop and they all variously displayed their bias as a belief system. I remember booking a demo of the Croft Series 4 power amp with Audio T and telling them that I had transmission line speakers. Imagine my horror when they carted out puny Proac Tablettes into the demo room. When I complained they made some pretext about not having time to change things now. They used those bloody speakers for every demo! What a complete waste of time for me, trying to evaluate an amplifier with a complete octave of music missing. I booked a listen to a Naim preamp at Graham's Hi-Fi and took along a friend's Croft Micro for comparison. The Croft made the Naim sound broken. The dealer rep would have none of it, again talking about having 'faith' in Linn and Naim. He didn't much like it when I laughed out loud. There was nowhere that you could listen to an LP12 versus a Roksan Xerxes versus a Pink Triangle. Would that I had known to just go and buy an SP-10 and be done with it. I would still have it now. Look at some historical reviews of the SP-10 and you can read them trying hard to damn it with feint praise. Where could you ever read a comparison of a Fidelity Research arm versus an Ittok? I dare say Linn didn't allow the magazines to make such a direct comparison and they wouldn't dare publish it anyway. It goes on and on with dealers openly making you feel inadequate for daring to ask about other brands. I had to buy JBL speakers from a Tottenham Court Road box seller because no 'serious' dealer would stock them. All we would have wanted was an open market allowing fair comparisons, and publications not being so clearly in the hands of the vendors. Those were sorry times. I remember having a demo of the Naim 200/203 pre/power combo and compared them to my Exposure’s which I’d taken along thinking I’d possibly upgrade to the Naim’s. We put them on, listened to a few of my familiar tracks and I explained to the dealer that I preferred the Exposure’s in virtually every aspect. The best being I already owned them so n outlay required. He proceeded to tell me that the Naim’s were in fact the better amps and that I was clearly not listening the intricacies of them correctly, and they weren’t setup ideally but at my home they’d sound so much more to my liking. He also didn’t like it when I laughed out loud and then proceeded to walk out. |
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Post by naim1425 on Mar 9, 2018 21:47:21 GMT
paul my point is there seem to be a lot of people talking about their systems and the point is listerning to the music it does not matter what its played on or how it sounds its as long as you enjoy it,the music that is,the part of the forum what you are lisening to now is good for me as i have bought quite a lot of other peoples recomendations,so i with more would post about the music
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Post by southall1998 on Mar 9, 2018 22:11:15 GMT
Sometimes I like the Nait 5i. In the right system, the 5i can sound satisfyingly musical and very communicative.
Quite like the CD3.5. Not a bad CD Player.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2018 22:13:40 GMT
Oh ok, get your point now and agree with that totally. All a Hifi system does is allow you closer to your music.
I like talking about ways to improve my Hifi however, to get closer to the music.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2018 22:31:41 GMT
There has to be room for all, and it is, after all, an audio forum. There's lots of music discussion on other threads too. Personally, I'm far more interested in talking hifi than music, but I'm happy for those who like the music threads.
I don't even enjoy hifi reviews that talk endlessly about the tracks played. Unless you own that music and know the track, it makes little sense.
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Post by MartinT on Mar 9, 2018 22:41:31 GMT
I like talking about the music played when I review hardware, but I accept that it may not resonate with anyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2018 22:50:03 GMT
What used to really bug me were the reviews that would "pad out" the description of sound quality with long references to the music listing the album, composer, movement, conductor, orchestra, venue and label! Even more meaningless when you don't listen to classical music. I think it was most prevalent in HFN/RR reviews but I can't remember the main culprit(s). It was the magazine I always left on the shelf.
Oh and some other goober used to repeatedly rattle on about Ben Sidran's "Bop City". It read more like a plug for the artist than a review of the items.
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Post by naim1425 on Mar 9, 2018 23:25:19 GMT
never mind nothing beats live music at event,most people cannot reproduce that on there system.even the artist cannot reproduce the same show even the day after.so no piece of electonics can capture the moment no matter what the cost of the system or what everroom you play it in. to me at the event means live at that moment so a recording of it does not give you the smell of stale beer,sweat,waiting in cues to go to the toilet or mistakes by the artist that gets edited later
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2018 23:50:42 GMT
Do you buy many live albums and do you still feel that "live" sensation when. You listen? I know there's a lot of love for them amongst many people but they do very little for me. I can totally get "being there" at a concert and all that brings, but a live recording loses nearly all that sense of involvement for me and just ends up sounding like a crap recording with bad acoustics and loads of annoying crowd noise. I don't mind DVD live recordings as the visuals make me lose sight of the inferior sound.
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Post by naim1425 on Mar 9, 2018 23:55:20 GMT
years ago i was in the epcot centre listening to the best system ever (krell) in a demonstration,when i approched the chap who was demonstating it as said one or more of the drive uinits in one of the speakers was crackling and seamed out of phase,he said no way that would never happen its a krell and it costs (american)££££££,so i said i may be wrong then,but it still sounds shit,any way i was passing the same person at the venue and they had closed it for a short while they were trying to fix the fault,so as we were talking i said why don`t you swap the speakers ove to see if it was the speaker or the output channel of the amp or so so,anyway i felt a right DICK by spoiling all the peoples visit to ebcot for a few hours.after that it was all history,i worked for the mouse for 10years helping with the concerts,shows and sound systems.thats why i enjoy the music first then the electronics later plus some body with big ears had better hearing than me
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Post by naim1425 on Mar 9, 2018 23:59:07 GMT
Do you buy many live albums and do you still feel that "live" sensation when. You listen? I know there's a lot of love for them amongst many people but they do very little for me. I can totally get "being there" at a concert and all that brings, but a live recording loses nearly all that sense of involvement for me and just ends up sounding like a crap recording with bad acoustics and loads of annoying crowd noise. I don't mind DVD live recordings as the visuals make me lose sight of the inferior sound. agree with a lot of yor points there,i also enjoy dvd/bluray of the concert,but still not as good as being there |
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Post by naim1425 on Mar 10, 2018 0:31:16 GMT
getting back to sound + systems.i was working at sony in aylesbury,when m jacksons BAD video came out,, and they were testing it before they made copies of it the video and the cd album,we were working in were theymade the cassettes and in the sound studio with tv monitors and surround system,now that was a good system,the room was like the starship enterprise
huge screen and big ATC active speakers built in each side and under the monitor with the rest of the surround speakers in the ceiling curved from front to back ending a bit like a circle,what a system,only problem was the active speakers were to close to the monitor so it distorted the picture(so even the pro can get it wrong)we were one of the first people to see that video as it had not been released yet.anyway it went missing and there was hell on,total lock down,it was found on the top of a filing cabinet,working in there seeing how things wre made and tha sound room was amazing and the best thing all the cds,vinyl and cassettes were cheap,£2 for any cd or record made by columbia/sony/etc,you could only buy 10 a day but my mate was not into music like was so i got his aswell.a good way to build up a collection.so in my life i have listened to some good proffesional systems where money was know object,thats why i keep crowing on about music,if there was none what would you play on your hifi(sorry if i bored you).
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Post by MartinT on Mar 10, 2018 8:01:10 GMT
Goodness me that was Chris Frankland. He never seemed to listen to anything else!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 9:30:27 GMT
Goodness me that was Chris Frankland. He never seemed to listen to anything else! if a system ever made me enjoy Ben Sidran, I would be seriously impressed. |
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Post by MartinT on Mar 10, 2018 9:32:33 GMT
Agreed, I did listen to it once wondering what all the fuss was about. I'm still wondering.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 10:46:12 GMT
Just as amusing point I have a copy of that 'letter' which was sent to dealers on how to 'tune dem' a potential customer into submission.
They are still many dealers here in the UK which still feel that the top of the audio mountain sits just west of Salisbury.
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Post by julesd68 on Mar 10, 2018 21:23:09 GMT
Would love to see a copy of that letter Tony!
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